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Hello, and welcome to Wiktionary. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wiktionarian! By the way, you can sign your name on Talk (discussion) and vote pages using four tildes, like this: ~~~~, which automatically produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the beer parlour or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! --Tohru 09:12, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: バーニング[edit]

Hi, I replied to your comment on the RfD page about バーニング. Just for the notice. --Tohru 09:12, 3 January 2006 (UTC)


What languages do you speak? Perhaps you could add the Babel templates to your user page. Gerard Foley 21:17, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

thanks for the bulgogi link[edit]

A useful tip for my next entry! Glennh70 06:20, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi There.[edit]

Please understand that although beneath the layers of adipose tissue, my spirit shines like a spring flower. I may be obese, but yet I am radiant.


Thanks for correctly re-adding the verb. I deleted it in error. SemperBlotto 14:22, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

bats for the other team[edit]

In response to your comment on RFD, OK I'm just going to keep recreating this unless someone provides a legitimate reason for deleting it. That is very bad policy, if you feel something should be kept include evidence on the RFD page showing that it is in fact a real term, and that will solve it. Just re-adding deleted content is vandalism and is frowned upon, regardless of whether the content is legit or not. - TheDaveRoss 01:45, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

No-one had suggested it wasn't a real term. Kappa 08:15, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


Are you sure it's necessary to apply the CFI to romaji entries? Wiktionary:Transliteration says "As for whether to create transliteration articles (redirecting or pointing to the non-transliterated form) for the benefit of beginner students, the decision should be made individually for each language, on a language considerations page." I don't see any clear statement at Wiktionary:About Japanese, but it seems to me that Japanese is a particularly good case for including transliterated entries - it would certainly make wiktionary much more useful for me. Kappa 05:42, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I apologize if my mistake caused further confusion. Romaji does belong in Wiktionary; I was confused by our inconsistent treatment of other languages. --Connel MacKenzie T C 06:12, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the update, Kappa. CFI is one of the more challenging aspects of Wikimedia projects. Anyway, I will revoke my CFI-based RfD's for the romaji and kana entries. I will also request comments in Wiktionary Talk:About Japanese to ensure that it is OK to add a note to Wiktionary:About Japanese regarding modified CFI for romaji and kana entries. Rodasmith 17:02, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


Personally I'm leaning towards deletion but that would need a vote, its not speedy-able -- Tawker 23:55, 2 April 2006 (UTC)


Good to see you... so this is where you've disappeared to... me too. :-D bd2412 T 18:12, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi BD, good to see you... this place is good for relative peace and quiet... Kappa 23:28, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Certainly is a slower pace... still, I could add a few hundred legal definitions in no time! bd2412 T 00:52, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Please do, though try to add context too so they're useful to more than just attorneys. Sorry to pre-empt this space. I can to see what was going on with gutless wonder and found out. - Taxman 17:30, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

gutless wonder[edit]

Sorry. Deleted it with insufficient thought. SemperBlotto 17:16, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

  • No problem, wasn't very useful in its initial form.

typo (?) in link piping[edit]

Oops. Thanks for catching my typo on importe and correcting it. I was thinking of the conjugation base word (porter#French) when I constructed that link.

By the way, I am unsure how to format entries for inflections, conjugations, et al. since there is no explanation of it on WT:ELE. Was my guess correct? That is, should the inflection line (the one after the part of speech line) and the definition just refer to the base form of the word?

Finally, since you have commented on romaji policy in the past, I would appreciate any input you might have to the proposal in Wiktionary talk:About Japanese#Hiragana and romaji in entries regarding where to put the full entries for wago and kango terms. The suggestion is to put the full entry for wago terms on the hiragana page for those terms and to continue to put the full entry for kango terms on the kanji-compound page. Rodasmith 19:03, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


Because you readded it YOU have to remember to RFD it if shart fails RFV :p - TheDaveRoss 21:51, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Added to RFV list. — Vildricianus 21:53, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


Hi I haven't a clue how to stick a picture into an article. I see you put a cow in, and i have (on my computer) a pic of a pair of veldskoens. How do I get it from my computer to the article? (its labled veldskoen.jpg) Thanks from an ignoramus. Andrew massyn 21:41, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I am keeping the picture of the cow on my page, cos the template is in the edit! Andrew massyn 13:27, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


We don't keep entries for spelling errors. --signed, They. (Connel MacKenzie T C 02:09, 11 April 2006 (UTC))

Sorry, I didn't mean to recreate that, I intended to put the comment on the talk page. Pretty heartless policy though. Kappa 02:26, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Heartless! Umm, what should we do with them instead? Redirecting gives the person no indication they entered it wrong, while creating a stub entry prevents spell checkers from ever using Wiktionary data. With the current lucene search, if they enter it wrong, they'll get the default search page, which probably will have the correct spelling (but only if no entry exists there.)
If it were my rules, I think I would allow redirects for misspellings. But many in this community have raised (valid?) objections to using them. So we don't. --Connel MacKenzie T C 03:13, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


Thank you for checking Korean translation for the United Nations. Do you know what exactly 연합국 (Yeonhapguk, 聯合國) in Korean means? Does it mean "Allied Nations" like in World War?--Jusjih 14:46, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it appears to be specifically that meaning (the Allies in WW1 and WW2). Kappa 14:49, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Because I saw 연합국 (Yeonhapguk) at United Nations as of 28 February 2006 while I found this phrase at a Korean Wikipedia article that would link to Allied Nations at English Wikipedia, I have become confused. Thank you for your answer.--Jusjih 13:42, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Reply to your message regarding the Wiktionary protologism project page.[edit]

Thanks for the link. It was provided earlier in a discussion with someone else although I missed it at first. Actually there is another wiki site that is purposefully dedicated to the collection and documentation of slang. The site even sells the printed version of the dictionary of slang derived from contributions posted by the user/editors of the site. The following link was provided by another Wiktionary user: Urbandictionary 17:25, 22 April 2006 (UTC)


This is an Image Query - can I display Wikipedia images here without uploading them here? I suppose I'd have to do it through Commons, but I've yet to try. (I ask because I'd like to add maps to the 4 U.S. time zone definitions). Cheers! bd2412 T 17:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately not, you do have to go through Commons. Kappa 21:42, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, I was afeared a' that - but no matter, Commons it is. Thanks! bd2412 T 22:00, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Kango and wago entries[edit]

Hi Kappa. Thanks for the correction regarding the generic item counters. You are obviously right that they are actually Japanese nouns.

Do you have time or energy to comment regarding the best location for the main entry for 和語 terms? Wiktionary talk:About Japanese#Kango and wago entries has an active discussion where we are trying to settle whether it is best to put the main entry for 和語 terms on the kana page. You input would be much appreciated. Rodasmith 22:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


Hi. I don't think Ramadan properly belongs in Category:Months, since that category is for the twelve months used in English. This is the way all of the Months categories in various languages is set up. The holy month of Ramadan is already categorized under Category:Calendar terms.

Also, could you populate the Category:ko:Months? It's missing most of them. --EncycloPetey 08:15, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Ramadan is a month, a holy month as you put it, how can it not be categorized as one? Kappa 09:09, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Your idea of creating a Category:Islamic months seems like a good solution. We could use a similar approach to put in the months of the Hebrew calendar. --EncycloPetey 09:16, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I Apologize[edit]

I apologize for my edits on this site. I'll talk about who's sexy, where it is supposed to be talked about. Again, my apologies. 21:06, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

  • No problem, I know it's tempting to try stuff out when you find a site like this. Kappa 21:08, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Very tempting! 21:11, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

roach clip[edit]

Current definition is bollocks, but a real term with a clearly defined meaning - perhaps a rewrite is a better option? bd2412 T 13:04, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

coqui frog[edit]

The frog has invaded Hawaii, at least. See Wiktionary:Words in the News, where I chose this as a word and which links to the Wikinews article. Since I cannot Google from the computer where I am currently working, I can't say whether it has spread in other places. --EncycloPetey 01:20, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Tea room comment?[edit]

Ah, Kappa! Would you care to comment on my proposal in the tea room to redirect Pinyin to Chinese characters (or, alternately, make articles on the Pinyin)? Cheers! bd2412 T 03:48, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks, and for the demo - well done! bd2412 T 01:51, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
    • You have many talents, my friend. bd2412 T 04:22, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Survived verification[edit]

Hi Kappa, Connel asked me to make a template:rfv passed but it is entirely beyond me. You seem very good with this sort of thing. Can you link it to the category page I just created? I have pasted his comment from my page below. Many thanks. Andrew massyn 08:49, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I like the comments you are doing for rfv-survivors. Do you think you could make a template template:rfvpassed as the counterpart for template:rfvdelete? --Connel MacKenzie T C 07:18, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Golly! thats not what I intended at all see my talk page for what Connel actually said Andrew massyn 09:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Would it not be more compact to simply use "Verified" rather than "Survived verification"? bd2412 T 14:52, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I guess so, feel free to edit the template and make a new category. Not sure what to do with Category:Survived verification if you do that, but maybe it can just be redirected. 02:40, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


Please put the citations on the rfv page onto the page at the main entry. Thanks Andrew massyn 20:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


Since you're on a tear of writing new articles, I'll give you a wiki-dollar if you do one on singsong (since I'd like to know if it means what I think it means). Cheers! bd2412 T 03:04, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

So it was you![edit]

I kept wondering who what keeping those lines at the top of Special:Recentchanges up to date. I've added your name to WT:DW there, as I saw you doing it this evening. Please continue to do so. Finding good teaser words for newcomers to enter is sometimes difficult, but sometimes really fun.

If you object to me adding your name there, for any reason, please go ahead and remove it.

--Connel MacKenzie T C 05:13, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Well, if you're going to put him there, may as well go the full route and nominate this editor for adminship! bd2412 T 05:23, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
  • It is done. bd2412 T 05:40, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Oops, I didn't realize he wasn't! I though he made it in, during that last flurry. --Connel MacKenzie T C 16:42, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Apart from that, everyone is encouraged to do some dishwashing, admin or not. — Vildricianus 16:46, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Much agreed, but for a trusted user, admin tools are a powerful de-greaser/spot remover! ;-) bd2412 T 20:30, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Kappa, I am hopeful that you will accept this nomination, as the support is already piling up! bd2412 T 13:01, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

  • I suspect that you must provide your time zone and language proficiencies for the promotion to go through. bd2412 T 13:06, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
    • It's not required, just encouraged, as soon as you're appointed. — Vildricianus 18:22, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


Congratulations, you are now an admin! If you have any questions about what this allows you to do or how to do anything, feel free to ask any of the other admins for help. — Paul G 19:55, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Please go to the administrators page and enter your timezone and Babel information (the languages you know). — Paul G 19:58, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Congratu-freakin'-lations! You got those buttons now, do good things with them. bd2412 T 20:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Yay thanks new buttons :) Now nothing will stand in my way... Kappa 06:51, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

'dreadful' railway slang[edit]

Hi, I notice that you removed the railway slang definition on dreadful, now while it may be considered vandalism by some, it is actually correct railway slang, see [1] and their glossary I think it is. I'm not registered on here but I am Tubechallenger on WP. Thanks, Tubechallenger 21:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

So far, I have to agree with Kappa's removal. I can't find anything on that suggests the removed sense for "dreadful" (i.e. "emitting a loud sound" or "producing much clag"). Even the "jargon" page ( just gives this description:
"Dreadful! - What this site is all about. When bashers were having a good day they would get "wound up" and start saying things were "absolutely dreadful". This would on occasion be accompanied by much waving of the right arm (you had to see it really!)."
Also, keep in mind that Wiktionary's attestation rules require documented uses of words (as opposed to definitions of words merely mentioned). Is there some reliable web page or printed material that actually uses the word "dreadful" with the sense in question?
FYI, to move disputed senses like this into official channels, you can revert the removal, add "{{rfv-sense}}" to the disputed sense, and add an entry to Wiktionary:Requests for verification. You may also consider registering an account to facilitate this conversation. Rod (A. Smith) 21:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Actually it was User:Connel MacKenzie who first identified it as vandalism, I just assumed he knew what he was talking about. (I believe there is a lot of vandalism related to railway terminology.) If what you say is true, it was a good faith entry and I apologize for describing it as vandalism, however it also doesn't sound like it would survive RFV so there might not be much point in restoring it. Please feel to discuss this on the talk page of the article. Kappa 00:12, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi again, as far as I am aware, there is a railway terminology dictionary, but the terminology (whether it is in there, or not) is certainly used by UK railway enthusiasts. Similar examples are clag, gripper (ticket inspector), etc 13:39, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Having a long time contributing on Wikipedia, you should know how helpful it is to have a registered account.
Terms that are used too narrowly, generally do not meet our criteria. Fan clubs, and enthusiasts of all sorts have spectacular jargon that we can't possibly hope to describe well. Especially when the more basic language elements are still so incomplete here.
Train enthusiasts have been responsible for a disproportionate amount of vandalism here on the English Wiktionary this year. Because of that, the terms you wish to enter here are already red-flagged, previously deleted, or locked entirely.
If you wish to assert that any of these terms have entered general usage in the English Language, and therefore deserve mention here, you'll need to find a minimum of three book/print citations (from reputable publishers) spanning over a year, from independent sources. (Less disputed terms can cite newsgroup archives, or other questionable texts, but the "railway" related previously vandalized entries cannot.) These citations need to be submitted when the terms are re-added to Wiktionary, on the same page. Hopefully, formatted as per our layout guidelines.
You sound like you may be a sincere enthusiast. But the long-term vandalism that has surrounded the various railway terms has left them subject to the most stringent interpretation of the criteria for inclusion. Tentative re-entry of one or two terms has, in the past, triggered fresh waves of vandalism that were not appreciated.
--Connel MacKenzie T C 02:08, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I very much understand that - and I believe I know one of the people who you are referring to as vandalism, AFAIK he has aspergers if it the one we are both thinking about. Tubechallenger 12:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

WoW template[edit]

I've made a WoW template template:WoW for the Willy on Wheels accounts, where the tag can be added. Jooge 02:04, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks, I'm still new blocking accounts. Kappa 11:51, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Hi Kappa; please don't use the template. Contrary to WP, we don't tag vandals' pages here with such things. — Vildricianus 11:53, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


Not boogie. Boo-Zhee (the g sound in rouge, a la Francais (or at least, this how US doctors pronounce it). And actually it's a tapering, hand-dipped-candle-shaped thingy, narrower at the top than at the bottom, all the better for use as a dilator.--Allamakee Democrat 03:14, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Done. I modified my part of the article. The IPA is wrecked after the trip through my machine.--Allamakee Democrat 04:20, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


Hello; please use the new {{en-verb}} template. It's used in much the same way the older ones are. — Vildricianus 14:04, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

don't redirect alternative spellings[edit]

Why not? In the case example, leetspeek is a common, though less correct spelling of leetspeak. The misspelled version has the exact same meaning as the proper spelling. Why have two pages? It makes it a nightmare to maintain. –Gunslinger47 02:21, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

  • See Wiktionary:Spelling variants in entry names. Kappa 02:32, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
    Very well. I'll cease any and all redirecting. I can sort of see where the policy is coming from, but you guys are casting the net too wide. Leetspeek has 343 matches on Google, l33tspeak has 10,300, l33tspeek has 530, l33tsp33k has 7,170, l33tsp34k has 816, etc. Thousands of random character permutations can be made to deliberately spell leetspeak incorrectly. That's literally the definition of the word. The page should be redirected, if not deleted outright. Would you prefer if I tagged it with {{delete}}? –Gunslinger47 03:33, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
    It shouldn't be removed without discussion, but you can certainly try an {{rfd}} tag. Kappa 09:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletes[edit]

Why do you tag entries with {{db}} ? You're a sysop! — Vildricianus 10:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I use it for good-faith looking entries, hoping the contributor will get a chance to see some kind of explanation before it gets zapped. Kappa 10:36, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for the welcome message! Sorry for the (extremely) belated response.. I'm an infrequent visitor. I enjoy wiktionary quite a lot, but my true passion lies with wikiHow (the first wiki I ever contributed to).

I hope to be around a bit more than previously. —This unsigned comment was added by Logolept (talkcontribs).

  • Hope you enjoy your time here. Kappa 00:46, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

(This is from a different user than who wrote the above) Thanks for your quick help during the late shift. You're the first to respond to a talk page question very often, often doing so in the blink of an eye! Thanks for the help with strain. :-)

Block a vandal?[edit]

Three new Vildricianus imposter/insult usernames just popped up in the user creation log. Cheers! bd2412 T 01:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Withdrawn, they are taken care of. bd2412 T 03:23, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


Hey Kappa, you're not a Wonderfool sockpuppet, are you? -- 10:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Not to my knowledge. Kappa 11:23, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Concordance:HP Lovecraft and swineherd[edit]

Hello Kappa, nice to see someone else has an interest in all things Lovecraftian. I take your note about the swineherd and have put a little comment on Concordance talk:HP Lovecraft#swineherd to explain hoe it is used in the particular Lovecraft story.--Williamsayers79 08:49, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


Was deleted by Connel along with some other football cruft created at the same time, e.g. Chealsea FC [sic]. Yes, it should be undeleted. Would be good to cite. Robert Ullmann 04:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Korean Yale[edit]

I have 'bot code to fix all these automatically; you might save yourself the trouble ... ;-) It would help if you would look at User:Robert Ullmann/Korean Yale which is what the 'bot will do, and see if it all looks correct to you? Robert Ullmann 06:42, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Yes it looks right. Kappa 06:55, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


Etc. Template {{ko-pos}} might make your life easier ... cheers Robert Ullmann 10:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


Please look at biǎn (and biān). I've combined any that are together, with the same definition. This is better, and I don't think we can get to perfect ;-)

Thanks for looking at these; it is not easy sometimes to get anyone to check on what you are doing. Robert Ullmann 08:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

And see bìn. Very good idea, thank you! Robert Ullmann 08:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


Do you think I was nasty to the people who vandalized?--Sir James Paul 20:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Well I don't thing the person who created "Atom Bombs On Nagaasaki The Survivors" was a vandal at all - just someone who was got confused. Kappa 20:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


What are peoples requirments for sysop's around here? --Sir James Paul 02:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

  • I don't really follow the sysopping process very much but I think a solid edit history over a few months is typical. Kappa 03:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Do you think that they would elect someone who does mostly RC patroling.--Sir James Paul 03:11, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Like I say, I don't really follow the process. However, an admin needs to be able to help others with all kinds of problems so a record of creating or improving entries as well as RC patrol would be desireable IMO. Kappa 03:15, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
To answer the original question: there has been a historic bias against those who vandal patrol only, as potential sysops. Even though that bias is less than it was a year ago, it is still a very important consideration. There has been a much stronger historic bias against those who seek out the sysop flag. The only two people who have become sysops here in under three months had been sysops (or better) elsewhere in WMF for over a year. But I honestly don't think a three month wait will help your push for the sysop flag. --Connel MacKenzie 07:35, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


Please check the Special:Preferences box that says "mark my edits as patrolled" on the edit tab. I'm pretty sure we can trust your edits, these days! :-)     --Connel MacKenzie 07:26, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


the word does exist, it was used in a lecture by my phonetics lecturer today...zigzig20s 00:07, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure your lecturer didn't mean more lithe? Also you wanted "quotes from authors who've used that word" and the RFV will generate them, if its successful. Kappa 03:04, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I am absolutely sure...She basically opposed 'lither' as in 'more lithe', to 'lither' which she said was an adjective in its own right - no superlative or anything. She said it was old-fashioned, but she didn't go into too much detail because it was the end of the lecture.zigzig20s 17:17, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, I've found it in Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [2]. Still think some citations would be nice. Kappa 17:22, 20 December 2006 (UTC)


Hi, Kappa.I found you added ナマズ for kun'yomi of I am afraid to say it should not be there. FYI: in kun'yomi of single Kanji page, only 1 characterset(here, Hiragana) should be used to express the phonetics readings. That's a common rule of Japanese Kanji dictionary. And ナマズ is pronunced exactly same as なまず. so I will delete it. Thanks.--Carl Daniels 01:53, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

The reason I added the katakana was because it's often written that way, not to express the pronunciation. Kappa 03:10, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Kappa. Sorry. I think I might have confused you. On'yomi means "Phonetic Reading". That doesn't count the variation of spellings. Writing in A characterset(Here, Hiragana) is enough. so.... I think the word ナマズ should be written in the 'Alternative spelling' for 'Noun':. Don't you think so? Hope you enjoy to keep contributions into Wiktionary also this year. --Carl Daniels 05:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Harry Potter[edit]

This is from Wiktionary:Criteria for inclusion - A name that occurs only in the works of fiction of a single author, a television series or a video game, or within a closed context such as the works of several authors writing about a single fictional universe is not used independently and should not be included. SemperBlotto 11:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

What is this in relation to? Kappa 11:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Lexically unproper Korean Words[edit]

I think you can Korean. Following Korean words shouldn't be in dictionary:

Would you please correct these words. I've already seen some Wiktionary is often unaware of correct Korean word copying it from en. And all Hanja or other dubious words (see here), which doesn't belong to Korean language, must be ordered in a seperated Hanja-subcategory. --A-heun 15:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Actually I think we need most of these things. Wiktionary users might not know the rules of Korean grammer, so if they see 좋은, they wouldn't know that they should look for it under 좋다. Remember we have English forms like goes and waited. I agree we should delete 반주 없게 and 치는 사람 because they are combinations of two different words. For "초콜렛" I think we should say it's an "alternative form", or an "incorrect form" of 초콜릿.
  • I will respond more when I have time. Kappa 19:10, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Commenting by request:
1. Per Wiktionary:Redirections, we do not normally use redirects for different forms, but create a separate entry for each form (I've been cautioned against creating such redirects on my talk page). So we should have separate entries for 좋다, 좋아, 좋다고, 좋다구요, etc.
2. Idiomatic expressions belong in Wiktionary, per WT:CFI#“Terms” to be broadly interpreted although the extent to which specific expressions are idiomatic can be debated.
3. Misspellings are another issue; the question is probably whether it is truly a misspelling, or a legitimate variant spelling.
4. Can we say that hanja are not Korean? That seems like a stretch; I have a grammar book of recent vintage which treats hanja as Korean morphemes.
5. I agree that 정권 변화 should go, since the correct idiom is 정권교체 (in this case, a redirect might not go amiss). 치는 사람 should go too; it is fully compositional. 반주 없게 is a tougher call, as it seems a bit more idiomatic; I would have to look into it a bit more, but am tempted to suggest a move to 반주 없이 rather than deletion.
Just my 2 cents' worth. Cheers, -- Visviva 05:05, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
  • On another matter, since I'm here: What is the best English term for 관형사? I had been using "adjective," but that conflicts with 형용사. Some authorities call them "adnominals," but that word doesn't even have an entry yet. -- Visviva 05:05, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Guidelines are a matter of en Wiktionary. Korean language and its grammar and its orthographic rules are another.
For point 1: Is it somehow useless to edit all derivations of Korean verbs, adjectives etc? Since there are no regular declension and conjugation rules in Korean, who can proof and control it?
For point 2: I don't know what kind of idiomatic usages might be meant in Korean. Phrase or sentence or compoundword or anyelse? '관용구' is some different thing, I think.
For point 4: Hanja shouldn't be mistaken for Hanjaeo (한자어). I don't know any Korean who believes that Hanja is Korean morphemes.
For point 5: There are also vast number of compoundwords, especially of 한자어, which are usually not listed in Korean dictionary. But technical terms like '반주 없이' should be a single word, although '반주없이' is grammatically adverb.
For term '관형사': it seems that 'adnominal' fits to meaning of 관형사 because it always stands before a noun or pronoun or numeral.
All things considered, en Wiktionary has its own rules. I've wanted to point some difficulties out. --A-heun 15:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
See more about Wiktionary:Beer parlour#Hanja and Korean language

--아흔(A-heun) 17:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)


Thank you.

Transwiki interest[edit]

How does WT:MTW look, by the way? Any helpful comments or corrections for it? --Connel MacKenzie 03:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

滅亡 = to be destroyed?[edit]

At the article:地球. I found you translated a sentence. I think something important is lacked in the translation. To be destroyed means to be broken into pieces by physical power. The sense of 滅亡(extinct) is different to that. I think in this case, the view point of the Japanese sentence is cast to the go-and-forth of the lifeforms on the Earth. You just want to say about 地球の崩壊(earth destruction) in English? What do you think?--Carl Daniels 06:30, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, maybe "perish" is better then. Kappa 07:37, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Wanted entries[edit]

Any chance you could let items linger a bit longer on Wiktionary:Wanted entries? They used to have a couple days of review, after they turned blue. Perhaps 24 hours would work? --Connel MacKenzie 21:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

OK. Kappa 21:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


I find it strange that you go to such lengths to game the system. I'm very disappointed by you actions with regard to bukkake. Having been improperly rfvpassed, it almost snuck in under the radar. It has been clogging rfd/rfv for many months now. It is beyond absurd that you should try resurrecting it now. --Connel MacKenzie 00:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I am looking for more durably archived citations in order to try to satisfy even you that this word passes the CFI. Kappa 00:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I find it funny that it had to be verified. I bet if I asked, more then half of the male populace on campus would know what it meant. Its borderline that its even considered jargon. But anyways, I just wanted to say thanks to Kappa, you always seem to come up with good references for articles that need it. Its nice to see the Wiktionary has more culture of citation then it did when I last used it. --Eean 20:30, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

WT:PREFS and patrolling[edit]

Since you seem to be doing a fair amount a vandal patrolling these days, can I ask you to please mark things that you've already taken care of? Pretty please?

In the "sysops-only" section of WT:PREFS are a couple half-working gadgets to assist in marking edits as patrolled. Bug reports and feedback are welcome.

Thanks in advance, --Connel MacKenzie 09:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Are there guidelines anywhere for what to mark as patrolled? Kappa 16:36, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Nothing formal that I know of. When I edit an anon user's new entry, I mark it patrolled. If all I do is tag it with "RFV" or "RFC" or "RFD" then I still mark it as patrolled, as it is now being processed elsewhere in "the system." If it is a reasonable-looking translation entry, I mark it as patrolled. If it is a good edit, I mark it as patrolled. If it was a poorly entered definition that I was able to quickly clean up (hatchet man) then I mark it as patrolled.
If it is a questionable translation, I'll let someone else mark it. If it is a questionable edit, and may require some finesse, I'll let someone else mark it.
Basically, if it is vandalism, roll it back. If it is a bad edit (in good faith) then mark it for cleanup, or just fix it, and mark it as patrolled.
Do you feel like writing that up as a formal guideline, somewhere? --Connel MacKenzie 03:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Never smoker and ever smoker[edit]

  • I agree that 100 is a "magic number" (as they say in computer science), and I wouldn't define them that way.
  • If you look them up on there is near universal agreement that they are specifically defined in terms of the 100 cigarette/cigar threshold.
  • Silly doctors/statisticians :-)
  • Thanks for all your hard work


There has been a long string of "reality is a commodity" vandalisms already this evening, each one from a different anonymous address. --EncycloPetey 02:59, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

This is thanks to Stephen.—This unsigned comment was added by Laughlinel (talkcontribs).


Thanks; I meant to link to the language but got distracted before actually typing it in. --EncycloPetey 05:49, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Any idea what to do about Novial? Wikipedia gives art as the ISO 639-2 code; nov is the 639-3 code; and Ethnologue has no entry at all. Recommendations? --EncycloPetey 05:49, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

nov looks like the intuitive choice. art appears to mean "Artificial languages (Other)" w:ISO_639-2 Kappa 05:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Hopefully there aren't any real languages starting with those three letters... Kappa 05:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Should be nov, see w:nov:Novial ;-) We shouldn't use code art, the ones we permit in CFI each have their own codes. (Real ISO 639 assignments, we don't have to make any up.) Robert Ullmann 06:04, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

铁石 tiě shí[edit]

I noticed you had placed this one on the Requests for Chinese entry page. Can you tell me anymore about the context in which you saw this word? There is a Chinese singer with this name, but I'm not sure what you had in mind with this one. Thanks. A-cai 14:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Rearrange of ko Categories[edit]

Of course[edit]

Wow! Your Korean is even better than mine. Are you a 한국분? --Ed Poor 01:33, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Nope :) Kappa 01:33, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


Discussion moved to talk:watershrew. Kappa 22:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


Hi Kappa, please check my work on 差不多 - I'm sure of the meaning, but not of anything else. bd2412 T 15:51, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Mandarin looks fine, I'm not too sure if the 不 has a tone or not - probably optional. I don't know any Min Nan so I can't comment on that. Kappa 16:04, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Thanks. bd2412 T 16:19, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
      • And thanks again! bd2412 T 05:30, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


Kappa, why did you delete my examples (that it took me 20 minutes to type in)? A-cai 00:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

They were taken from HSK汉语水平考试词典 which makes them copyright violation, unless this is public domain. If it is, I'll restore it with apologies. Kappa 00:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Why would it be a copyright violation? Isn't this an example of fair use?

A-cai 00:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

If it wasn't a dictionary, it would be fair use. However wiktionary is in direct competition with them, so we are potentially damaging their business by re-using their examples. Kappa 00:42, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


Why did you delete this article and them immediately recreate it? John Reaves (talk) 00:49, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I deleted the redirect because wiktionary doesn't do hard redirects from alternative spellings or forms - they are better left as red links. After that I decided that creating a soft redirect would be a good idea, so I did so. Of course, if I had been planning in advance I would have simply converted the hard redirect to a soft one. Kappa 01:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for the response, I was just confused. John Reaves (talk) 02:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

A Request[edit]

Hi :-) Don't know if you are the right person to ask, but you are always helping out so I thought I'd try you. Can you program the en-noun template so that if someone uses the "pl2" argument, then that entry will automatically be placed in Category:English words with multiple plurals?? :-) This category is totally sweet and it would be very nice to see it fill up with these cool words! (I can't do this because en-noun is specially protected for some reason) —This unsigned comment was added by Language Lover (talkcontribs).

Sorry, sounds like a great idea but I'm not the right guy to ask, I have no idea how wiktionary templates work. Kappa 03:46, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


Why did you nominate Template:Wookieepedia for deletion? - Patricknoddy 12:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Wiktionary is fairly hostile to things which only occur in a fictional universe, anything famous enough to be accepted is going to have a wikipedia article anyway. Kappa 12:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I have responded to your deletion request. And did you nominate Wookieepedia for deletion too? - Patricknoddy 12:30, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
No, I didn't nominate that entry, the deletion message showed up because of the template... I think I've fixed that. Kappa 12:51, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Appendix:Palindromic words[edit]

Hey Kappa, I linked all the terms in this appendix which was Transwikied over from Wikipedia - can you look at the Korean entries and make sure they aren't bs? Cheers! bd2412 T 01:50, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

무신론, 유신론, 自然神论[edit]

Hi Kappa. According to the Korean and Chinese Wikipedias, atheism and deism are 무신론 (musinron) and 유신론 (yusinron), respectively, in Korean, and deism in Mandarin is 自然神论 (zìránshēnlùn). Can you confirm that these are correct? Cheers! bd2412 T 04:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

P.S. This is a most awesome website for Korean characters. bd2412 T 04:25, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Looks like another Mandarin word for deism is 理神论. Kappa 16:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
So there are two different words for it? Or might the one on the Chinese Wikipedia be incorrect? bd2412 T 17:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, two different words for it. Kappa 20:31, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
How about the Korean? There's actually a template of religious terminology on the Korean Wikipedia - do you know if those are correct translations? Cheers! bd2412 T 22:50, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Those two are fine, I can't really comment on the rest. Kappa 00:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Oops, my mistake - 유신론 is theism and 이신론 is deism. I'll work on my Korean! :-) bd2412 T 02:01, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


Why have you deleted the word warv. It is a real word. I was surprised when I saw that it was not on wiktionary. I wanted to help wiktionary by adding it myself but I see now my help was wasted. —This unsigned comment was added by (talk).

Would you be able to provide any evidence that this is a real word? Kappa 22:44, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

u suc[edit]

Im telling u the word is REAL!!!!! Y did u delete it?!?!?! ur mean :( That will be all.

  • I'll take that as a "no". Kappa 22:48, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


Warv is an old english word that means the bottom of a chair. It was used in my english class. It can be found in most old english dictionarys.



What a swizz - I went back to review this morning's work, went to change squizz - and you'd beaten me to it :) —Saltmarsh 09:46, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Surprised not to hear from you![edit]

Kappa, I'm surprised you have not voiced an opinion at Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2007-05/Placenames 2‎ - I have proposed to expand the inclusion of certain geographic designations/features. Cheers! bd2412 T 15:26, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Intensifier infixes listed on WT:RFD[edit]

It seems as if -bloody- and -fucking- have been spared deletion proviso quod DAVilla’s criteria are met (which are not as strict as they first appear). I have neither the time nor the inclination to “save” these entries; as you expressed some enthusiasm about them, perhaps you’d like to do so? † Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 11:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Policy vote on brand names of products[edit]

Hi, I've started a policy vote at Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2007-07/Brand names of products. Based on your comments in the RfV for Ford, I thought you may wish to vote on this proposal. Cheers! bd2412 T 00:05, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Sicilian Wiktionary[edit]

Hello Kappa. The page wiktionary is blocked. I can't modify it. Would you please change the Sicilian Wiktionary name "Wikizionariu" in "Wikizziunariu"? "The new name is the correct name ("wiki" + "dizziunariu" = "wikizziunariu"). The former name was wrong because it was written in italianized Sicilian. The former name had been choosen by a non-Sicilian person. But now it is written in real Sicilian language: wikizziunariu. Thanks in advance for changing this horrible italianism. Best regards. Sarvaturi (administrator and bureaucrat on Scn.wiktionary)


Uh, Kappa, I wasn't even done creating this article. You know?Kitty53 02:41, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't think I deleted anything that would take a long time to reproduce. Also don't German nouns always start with a capital letter? Kappa 02:44, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Not always. Most do, but some other sometimes don't.Kitty53 02:50, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Brunei Darussalam[edit]

I humbly seek your permission to create a new page for Brunei Darussalam on the basis that it is the term used for Brunei on the Official UN Website. [3] --Thecurran 02:09, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

You don't need my permission. The page I deleted had no content. Kappa 02:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


We should probably move our sense of eeny to a separate ety and the quotations to a separate heading. I think the use you found is adverbial. I doubt if anyone would look too sceptically because it verges on widespread use (though not necessarily among Wiktionarians) anyway. DCDuring TALK 13:58, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

If you are confindent about rearranging it please go ahead. Kappa 14:32, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Your edit to color[edit]

Please do not remove content from articles. It is considered vandalism, and you may be blocked from editing. -- 15:02, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


Why did you delete neugeborenes?Kitty53 21:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

If I may intrude, see neugeboren which is where that word should be. Conrad.Irwin 21:52, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
OK someone moved neugeborenes to neugeboren [4] and then someone else deleted the resulting redirect. Nothing to do with me. Kappa 01:08, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


Hi there, please calm down a bit. To say that volunteers don't care doesn't make sense, they wouldn't volunteer if they didn't. Though it is possible that their way of doing things is not the most productive, the place to suggest and ask for ideas about improvements about the Wiktionary RfV process is on the Beer parlour not under a subtopic on RfV. See you around, and keep up the good work. Conrad.Irwin 23:58, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

The process depends on its being applied in good faith. What needs to be fixed is the people. Kappa 00:00, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps there's backstory here I'm unaware of, but I see no evidence that the request reflected laziness: perhaps the requester was in the middle of patrolling or other Wiktionarian tasks (or *gasp* a real-life activity), and wanted to call attention to a sense he found suspicious before he forgot about it. Your assumption of bad faith does not seem warranted to me. —RuakhTALK 01:22, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
The nominator doesn't care if a valid entry gets deleted. Either there is some butt monkey out there who does care and is actually willing to find citations, or it will be deleted. Either editors or wiktionary users in general are being fucked over. Kappa 12:20, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

out the ying yang[edit]

Shouldn't that be yin instead of ying? sewnmouthsecret 02:33, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd bet on ying, not yin, but wouldn't be surprised to find both in print. Ying is how I've heard it with both out and up. DCDuring TALK 03:31, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
google books:"out the (ying OR yin) yang" suggests that the most common form is out the ying-yang by a large margin, with out the yin yang, out the ying yang, and all out the yin-yang trailing behind in roughly that order. All four meet CFI. Incidentally, they're not restricted to use with have; they're also used after got and there is, and as the subject of be or come. —RuakhTALK 03:41, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Also, the more scholarly the source, the larger the ratio of yin-yang to ying-yang, with Groups overwhelmingly favoring ying-yang. But even Scholar has about a 2:3 ratio as I recollect. Easy to cite all the forms. yin-yang was WOTD a couple of years ago. Probably wouldn't have been if it contained all the senses it should have. DCDuring TALK 04:25, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

You learn something new every day. I always considered ying-yang to be incorrect. Thanks for clarifying. sewnmouthsecret 18:20, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Crossed edits[edit]

I had just converted madrinha to a proper entry when you deleted it; my edit may not have even shown up yet. normally, I too would delete additions like that, but in this case I knew what the word meant. --EncycloPetey 00:24, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


Hi Kappa,

FYI, I reverted your edit at Wiktionary:Requests for verification; I realize you were probably just frustrated, but it really came off as trolling, which is not O.K. here. (But of course, feel free to add a comment stating your opinion that these uses of woz are clearly widespread.)

Also, I can't help but notice that you used the pronoun they with Wiktionarians as its antecedent. Do you mean to suggest that you yourself are not a Wiktionarian?

RuakhTALK 23:55, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

If this happens again I conclude that it is impossible to fix the system from within and I will switch to vandalising the project. Kappa 00:54, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Actually vandalism will not be necessary I can do more good by discouraging people from becoming contributors. Kappa 01:01, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
(1) If what happens again? A word being brought to RFV? Your trolling? Someone calling you out on your trolling? To be effective, a threat must be understood. (Of course, this threat wouldn't be effective anyway — words will always get brought to RFV, only you can control whether you troll, and editors will always call each other out on trolling — but you might as well give it a chance.)
(2) What "good" is it that you think vandalism, discouragement, etc. would do?
RuakhTALK 01:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
The sooner people realize what kind of thing you are the sooner they will be able to walk away and preserve their dignity. Kappa 05:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


I miss the old Kappa. Hope you're feeling better soon. Cheers, -- Visviva 06:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I remember you are one of the people who actually does cite things, don't you feel any resentment at being exploited? Kappa 05:27, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Not really. All information should eventually be either verified or removed; RFV is just a way of prioritizing specific content that strikes someone as questionable. (An odd effect of this is that our vulgar/slang and brand-name entries tend to get a disproportionate amount of attention, but so it goes.) Cite it or ignite it, I always say; leaving unverifiable information on the project is not really an option. -- Visviva 05:37, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
You are fantasizing if you think most words would every be removed if they are not cited, and probably fantasizing if you think they will ever be cited. What we end up with is a dictionary Bowlderlized by prudishness and laziness. Kappa 20:28, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Also since you Nazis won't let me communicate I am going to switch to vandalism after all. Bye. Kappa 20:31, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Kappa, you're an admin, aren't you? Are you really going to throw away that power? You talk about how much of a mess wiktionary is in; well you can help do something about it. :) What do you say? Nwspel 20:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

get better[edit]

I made some additions to the get better page, and I just had to tell you that it's good to see a someone with a little sense of humour on Wiktionary. Also, you seem to be adding some Japanese words here- would you mind if I'd ask you for help if I run into a problem? --BiT 22:22, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


As you have been inactive on this Wiki for more than a year, your administrater status has been removed.

If you become active here again, and want to be an administrater again, just ask, and it can be provided without the need for a vote. SemperBlotto 14:50, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

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