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Removal of item from Wiktionary:Requested entries (English)[edit]

Hello, I recently discovered that my request for googly moogly was missing from the Wiktionary:Requested entries (English) page. The removal of entries from requested entry pages usually means that the entry has been created, but googly moogly is still missing, and apparently has never existed.

Did you intend to create this entry? Or did you remove the listing for some other reason? Curious, ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 16:01, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Eirikr - I created googly-moogly, because all the attestable examples I found included the hyphen.


Could you add {{Babel}} to your user page? I'd appreciate it. --Dan Polansky (talk) 13:57, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Alt forms[edit]

Hi. Please see my edit at marketgoer. It is preferable to do it this way (with the template) because it lets the software recognise an alternative form, and makes it clear that we aren't saying "a marketgoer is an alternative form"; obviously a marketgoer isn't that, it's a person. Equinox 03:47, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

English entries missing definitions[edit]

You are really kicking arse with these. Keep it up! Equinox 02:07, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

I second that, although with respect to the scientific jargon you guys keep getting bombarded with, do look for sources where scientists define their own jargon. (Or ask me for earth sciency & bio/palaeo stuff, and Semper for everything else.) —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 05:54, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
How are you finding all the meanings?! I spent some time on the definitionless category and it was really tough. Equinox 01:38, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
It can be really tough, and you may notice that I am skipping quite a few as I work my way along in alphabetical order. Some of them have definitions in other dictionaries that I can paraphrase. Some of them I go combing through the citations until I find one that defines the term - usually in a different part of the text than the one quoted by google books, so it can be slow going. And in a few (very rare) cases, I already know the meaning. Kiwima (talk) 05:11, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

fix these please[edit]


quantum-> prefix: "quanto-"

  • quantomechanics (rare)= quantum mechanics
  • quantomecanical (common) = quantum mechanical
  • quantomechanic = physicist specialized in quantum mechanics (not-attestable, all citations use it to mean quantum mechanical - Kiwima (talk) 20:41, 22 September 2015 (UTC))
  • quantomechanician = (very rare) physicist specialized in quantum mechanics, mostly a theoretician (unattestable - Kiwima (talk) 20:47, 22 September 2015 (UTC))

--- also:

  • non-lectic: [synonym =] nonverbal, information or signal not transmitted through speech
facial expressions, nonverbal communication - (once again, can't find the citations. I only found two:
  • 2014, Michael M. Nikoletseas, Parmenides in Apophatic Philosophy, ISBN 149753240X, page 10:
    In my work I have struggled to express non-lectic, 'mental' schemata into words.
  • 2011, K Bazhanov & SA Obiedkov, “Comparing Performance of Algorithms for Generating the Duquenne-Guigues Basis”, in CLA Conference Series, page 54:
    In our future work, we plan to extend the comparison to algorithms generating the Duquenne–Guigues basis in a different (non-lectic) order, in particular, to incremental [17] and divide-and-conquer [19] approaches, probably, in conjunction with newer algorithms for computing the closure of a set [16].

Kiwima (talk) 20:58, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Kiwima Rocks!!! =)

protophotons - protophoton only as an extrapolation of data[edit]

protophotons - protophoton

Sorry - I can't find any citations for this, but I can find proto-photon. Kiwima (talk) 20:45, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

旧光子 paleophoton[edit]

Definition of paleophotons or 宇宙マイクロ波背景放射 or 旧光子 The cosmic microwave background radiation. The low energy thermal part of the cosmic background radiation.

I know... very rare but functional. People understand that way that only the old thermal part of the radiation is the CMB and not the CBR (cosmic background radiation)

Place for removed cites?[edit]

I see you removed some cites from Polandball.

Is there a place somewhere else on the page we can add those back, like a new section for other languages?

Thank you,

-- Cirt (talk) 19:50, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

The citations I removed are all on the citations page, organized by language. Kiwima (talk) 21:30, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

@Cirt Citations pages don't get deleted along with the entry if it fails rfv, so that the entry can be restored later if someone finds more cites. If you ever have doubts about creating an entry because you're not sure it will pass rfv, the best thing to do is create a citations page before you create the entry, and accumulate cites until you have proof that it meets CFI, then create the page. That way you don't have to worry about it being deleted because people don't think it exists. It also has the benefit of giving you a better idea of how the term is actually used, which often makes for better definitions and a better entry. Chuck Entz (talk) 21:43, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
While we are on the topic of how to generate entries, @Cirt, it is probably a good idea to simply add a request for an entry on the requests page rather than generating empty entries like this that have no quotations and no definition. Kiwima (talk) 21:52, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
It has a definition and quotations. I just had to do more research. Thank you both for your advice, -- Cirt (talk) 22:26, 11 October 2015 (UTC)


I was about to add this one but I was struggling with a definition. Figured it might be better to leave it here than add it as an rfdef. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 22:52, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

I am assuming you are serious about this request, and that it is not just a pisstake: There is already a definition of piss-take, so this is just an alternate form. In any case, I'm glad you asked, since "piss-take" did not include the use as a verb. Kiwima (talk) 02:34, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
Oh, I hadn't even thought that it might come across thus. I somehow didn't think of the hyphenated form (which I hardly ever see, at least in use by the people I talk to). Thank you! —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 04:00, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

rub up on[edit]

Hi. I put an rfdef in here recently and you basically undid it. I still don't think that the citation belongs under that sense. It seems to be something more like "come up against" or "encounter". I don't see stimulation or resonance having much relevance. What do you think? Equinox 23:22, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

It looked to me like a form of "stimulate" or "react", by the "to see the stain it leaves." Kiwima (talk) 23:34, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your edit. Looks pretty good now. Equinox 01:18, 13 February 2016 (UTC)


Re sense 2, manufacturer: surely the first citation is a scanno for "good maker", similar to getting a novel from "all good bookshops"? A general-purpose "any goods-maker" wouldn't offer telescopes anyway; you need a specialist. The second citation looks weird too: what does "hr" mean here? Was Google able to show you the actual page, and not just a possibly wrong text scan? Equinox 22:37, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I checked the actual images not just the scan results. Kiwima (talk) 03:26, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
Not closely enough: in this one the "hr" is really "by" and there's a space between "good" and "makers". In this one, not all of the right-hand edge of the page is visible, but there's clearly a space after "good" with a fragment of another word barely visible after that (I would guess it's "cigar"), and "maker" at the beginning of the next line. For the 1882 quote, there's clearly a space between "good" and "maker" (a hit for another scan of the same edition even has "good maker" in the text on the results page). By my reckoning that makes you 0 for 3 on the manufacturing sense. Chuck Entz (talk) 04:06, 10 March 2016 (UTC)


Just curious where you found the English definition. No online English dictionary seems to have this word. --WikiTiki89 18:55, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

I did not find the definition in a dictionary - I found it in several of the texts that use the word. I often find it helpful to read the texts from which I take citations. Kiwima (talk) 19:02, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
But I wonder to what extent the definitions given in these are influenced by the Hebrew definition, for lack of sufficient knowledge and statistics about English usage. --WikiTiki89 19:10, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
That is a point, but as I said, I found the definition in not one, but several texts. Also, it seems consistent with all of the uses in the citations I can find. Kiwima (talk) 03:39, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Help with citations[edit]

I was wondering if you could find citations for two senses of sugar: "(chiefly southern US, slang, uncountable) Effeminacy in a male, often implying homosexuality." and "(uncountable, informal) Diabetes." They seem plausible, but are difficult to search for. Thanks. DTLHS (talk) 04:20, 23 May 2016 (UTC)


Is there a noun that goes with this adjective? *meroite? DTLHS (talk) 23:09, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

meroism (state of being meroic) seems to exist, but is very rare. Equinox 23:12, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
meroism looks to me to be something else entirely. The cites I find refer to germ cell clusters in ovaries, nothing to do with excretory organs. Kiwima (talk) 23:37, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
The zoological dictionary I found it in says that meroic comes from meros. Kiwima (talk) 23:14, 3 June 2016 (UTC)


Could you take a look at the citations here? I have a feeling there may be multiple definitions. DTLHS (talk) 17:49, 15 June 2016 (UTC)


You added the 'Verb' section with wrong offset. Also adjective translations are now under the verb. Yurivict (talk) 17:49, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

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Hi ! Shouldn't we make one of these entries the main entry and the other an alternative form ? I don't care which Leasnam (talk) 20:30, 16 January 2017 (UTC) ---


Fancy trying to define it? Etymologically, each element has the same meaning, but compare werehuman. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 04:38, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Archiving discussions[edit]

Please use the proper templates when archiving discussions (as here), and make sure you archive them even when they passed (as here). If you notice, there are "archive" links on the RFD/RFV pages, which can do all this work for you, try it out. --WikiTiki89 20:57, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Sorry -- I will try to do it right in the future. Kiwima (talk) 21:01, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
  • You're still doing it manually... Wikitiki wasn't clear if you aren't in the know, but if you go to WT:PREFS and select aWa on Gadgets. It'll make Archive links turn up that nearly everybody uses to semi-automatically archive discussions. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 22:02, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Please actually archive the discussions, rather than just removing them like you did here. —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:19, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
    I'm glad you're cleaning out RFV, by the way! Just so you know, you can archive multiple discussions at once by clicking the link for each one and letting them pile up in the popup. It's a good deal more efficient. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 01:12, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

I don't think we should be making a habit of archiving RFV discussions that haven't been closed. The top of WT:RFV says to wait a week after a discussion has been closed before archiving, and I think that's a good practice—occasionally there is something wrong with the closure, and leaving that time allows other users to object if necessary. —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:35, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

I agree, and didn't think I had done so. I am not entirely sure which discussion you are meaning. Kiwima (talk) 01:01, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
I'm thinking of discussions like these: [1] [2]. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:10, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for clarifying. In both those cases, the discussion looked like it ended on agreement over a year ago, but in the future, I will be sure to explicitly let it sit with an RFV-passed comment. Kiwima (talk) 23:25, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! To echo what Metaknowledge said, I'm glad you've been cleaning out RFV—the work is much needed! —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:39, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Just to let you know, this archiving didn't work. —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:04, 15 May 2017 (UTC)


Hi Kiwima, you've been a great help around here for a good while now. Fancy being given the burden of administrator powers? I could set up a vote for you. --G23r0f0i (talk) 11:07, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

@G23r0f0i What is entailed in being an administrator? I don't know how I feel about it until I know what is expected. Kiwima (talk) 23:35, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
You get a few extra buttons, primarily the ability to delete pages (e.g. obvious spam and vandalism). Equinox 04:01, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
That seems fine. I believe I can be trusted with that. Kiwima (talk) 06:40, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
Please sign here. --WF April 2017 (talk) 17:37, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
Your vote has passed, you're an Admin. Please add your name to WT:Admin. Also, see Help:Sysop tools. —Stephen (Talk) 07:56, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Closing RFVs[edit]

Thanks for working on RFV! I have a couple notes about closing RFV discussions. When you close an RFV, you can't just say that it's passed or failed and be done with it. If it passed, you actually have to go to the entry and remove the tag, and if it failed, you have to delete the entry. (But before deleting it, you should check the 'What links here', and if any other entries do link to it, you should remove the links; if any of them are inflected forms of the page to be deleted, those should be deleted as well.) One more thing is that when closing a discussion, you should strike out the title with <s></s>. This gives a quick visual cue to anyone who's archiving a bunch of discussions at once that this discussion is ready to be archived as well. Thanks! —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 22:26, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

A reminder that to make it easier on other archivers, please strike out the section title when you close an RFV. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 14:20, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Removed item. Where to see reason?[edit]

I see you removed coorne. I fail to see any explanation anywhere; is there any place to see the justification? Furthermore, when I enter the word now, I not only don't see the English entry, but also don't see the Dutch/Belgian material.JonRichfield (talk) 04:22, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

I have restored the Dutch entry; only the English failed RFV (WT:Requests for verification#coorne). —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 04:29, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
Development and overlapped edit confusion. Ignore foregoing re Dutch, thanks. I see it has since been restored. I still am concerned about the English, where there are grounds for readers who encounter the word to wonder what it is; there was a previous confusion with "coronet" for exampleJonRichfield (talk) 04:35, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
Did you look at the link to the RFV discussion? How will there be readers who encounter the word if there aren't places for it to be encountered? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 05:03, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
I see that Metaknowledge already answered for me. I do apologise for accidentally deleting the Dutch. Kiwima (talk) 19:38, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Obscure sense[edit]

This is more vulgar and obscure than many of the senses you've proven preternaturally adept at tracking down citations of, so I understand if you are uninterested or unable to help find any more citations of this, but at Talk:cock#cock_and_vagina, several users mention familiarity with the use of "cock" in the Southern US, before the 1960s, to mean "vagina", and there are two (not-independent) examples of Lucille Bogan using it that way, and other references confirming that's what she meant by it (even though a reading of "dildo" seems almost more plausible). Can you find any other citations? - -sche (discuss) 19:32, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Deletions from RFV/RFD[edit]

Hi. Remember to delete the inflected entries too, like plural uneutomers! Equinox 00:41, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

and whinelings! And some others I've done lately :) Equinox 21:23, 29 October 2017 (UTC)


I think this was too hasty. Many of those cites could be a real screen saver. For example Windows comes with one that lets you just set a photo, or a folder full of photos, as the screen saver. Equinox 10:24, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps, but I looking through them, I think I see at least three that really mean the wallpaper. Kiwima (talk) 21:00, 28 August 2017 (UTC)


I quote, "a period or condition when food is rare and hence expensive; famine." (wikitionary for dearth). Famine is also shown as a synonym for dearth. Anglish4699 (talk) 03:32, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

The issue isn't whether dearth is a synonym, but rather whether setting up a synonyms header and linking to the term is giving it undue weight. The truth is, basically no one uses it that way anymore, except a few oddball hobbyists like you. You've been warned before about using Wiktionary to push your POV- don't push it... Chuck Entz (talk) 04:01, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
To hinder someone's point of view is to push your own. By the way... I don't have any set view (even though you think I do). I'm just a worker on here that mostly does OE and some English synonyms. I'm sorry to break it to you, but a synonym is a synonym whether you like it or not. (if you don't know the definition of a "synonym" please see synonym). Please be professional about your work as will I. Anglish4699 (talk) 05:17, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
I apologize for insulting you, but my point still stands: we don't list every synonym just because it's a synonym. Also, please point to anywhere in the above where I said anything wasn't a synonym. As for your protestations to not having "a set view", I might be more inclined to believe you if I could find one instance of your adding a synonym of non-Germanic origin. Feel free to point me to one I may have missed. I have no quarrel with your OE work, but your English work is transparently aimed at promoting obscure etymologically-Germanic terms by slipping them in where they don't belong while no one's looking. Chuck Entz (talk) 07:00, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Archiving open RFVs[edit]

You should only archive RFVs that have been closed. For example, Talk:superbike shows that it was clearly not concluded, and the entry still has an RFV tag on it. I'll leave that one to you to clean up. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 20:30, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

race realist[edit]

Are you sure that the 2006 cite isn't using the term in the second sense? It looks like the author is involved in a research programme called 'Critical Race Theory'. Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 13:50, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

No, I'm not. I'll remove it as it's not really needed anyway.


Hey, Kiwima -- in this edit I noticed you archived the RFV for pedosaur. The word apparently got speedied and stricken out prematurely, then I found 73 cites for it on Usenet. An anonymous IP replied to me about it, but no one undeleted it and added the cites. Then you aWa'd it a week after the last reply. The discussion wasn't really closed. This entry should be undeleted until someone has added some of the good Usenet cites, then the RFD discussion should be kept open unless and until anyone raises objections to the cites. Just a thought. Khemehekis (talk) 01:09, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

OK @Khemehekis:, I have undeleted it. How about you add your cites?

Thanks. I'm a little clumsy with citation formatting. However, these Usenet posts look like good candidates for cites:!search/pedosaur/alt.barney.dinosaur.die.die.die/VP3b_qhG3ds/P-t-MNtXLoYJ
How can you love the Purple Pedosaur? Don't you see that he only wants to use you until you can no longer serve him?!search/pedosaur/misc.survivalism/UapVgoTECpg/LtrRRvaqPaQJ
More like "getting approving looks from Mr. and Mrs. Moron for having his face buried in a copy of _The Cat Who Walks Through Walls_ instead of transfixed by the pictures of Barney the Purple Pedosaur (or whatever the rug monkeys are watching now) on the idiot box.!search/pedosaur/alt.hypnosis/a7c3aHbW7zw/3KC4ec_e84AJ
Death to the Purple Pedosaur and his evil influence over our young children.!search/pedosaur/alt.christnet.dinosaur.barney/TO-tU_Km4k0/nG0gFYOzREoJ
Figures! I think it is because no translator could be paid enough to dub the Purple Pedosaur's voice with his own....!search/pedosaur/misc.activism.militia/7gbMN5Fyjxo/IlVasWDLUvMJ
Well, there's Barney the Purple Pedosaur. Khemehekis (talk) 01:57, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

more formatting nags[edit]

Not a huge deal, but I've noticed a couple of weird formatting things you do: (i) often adding extra blank lines (which show up in the entry and look strange) e.g. [3]) and (ii) not identing your comments in RFV/D discussion, so it's hard to tell them apart from the person above you. (You just have to start the line with a colon: You're wrong / : No, you're wrong!.) Maybe you could format the "normal" way unless you have a special reason. Equinox 23:34, 27 November 2017 (UTC)


…but why did you remove the Angela Carter cite? Having a well-known author listed is always an advantage IMO and makes a welcome change from the other technical examples. Ƿidsiþ 14:29, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

I did not delete the Angela Carter cite, @Widsith, Ƿidsiþ. I moved the Angela Carter cite to room-set, because it was a hyphenated form!
Ah OK, fair enough. However, as a general principle, citations for alternative forms can also be used as citation evidence under the main lemma. But yeah, I don't mind where you put it particularly. Ƿidsiþ 07:52, 7 December 2017 (UTC)