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Koavf, Welcome. We are glad to have whatever portion of your time you choose to devote to Wiktionary. I am including some standard welcome text below because it has some good help. If you're already familiar with the Wiki markup, please do read our article formatting guidelines at the least. I will say, you will find that Wiktionary is a smaller community where your contributions will make a bigger relative impact. --Dvortygirl 06:30, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)


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FYI, I deleted r.e.m., as we don't do that here.

RuakhTALK 01:01, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

bipolar disorder[edit]

Please don't do that. We deliberately do not link the names of common langugaes. Even if you link them, a bot would revert you shortly, since the Translation format is maintained by a bot. --EncycloPetey 07:12, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

breaking bad[edit]

The main problem with this entry is the citation page. Citations have to be actual usages, not just mentions. Both of your cites merely mention the term, but do not actually use it. You should find some cites where it is used, in the wild, so to speak. A good place to find citations is —Stephen (Talk) 09:12, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Delete: move to Commons[edit]

Have you checked that these have all been imported to Commons? I suggested deleting all the files here once and nobody supported it, so I didn't. But if they're on Commons then they can of course be deleted as redundant copies. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:54, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Of the ones you tagged, I've deleted the no-longer needed ones I uploaded, and moved the useful ones that had licences, and asked the uploader of one of the useful licenceless ones to fix it. Maro and I have removed the {{delete}} tags from a few that are just for unfinished debugging here. - -sche (discuss) 19:30, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Re "if they're on Commons then they can of course be deleted as redundant copies", not necessarily: Commons sometimes updates (or even deletes) files the other projects may want to keep as are.​—msh210 (talk) 22:39, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

recent edits[edit]

Hey, it looks like you restarted editing here on hitting a million edits at the pedia. Are you aiming for a million here, too? If so, you're most welcome, and best of luck. Note that tagging a page with {{rfd}} is necessary but insufficient for nominating it for deletion: you have to then click the "+" in the template that appears, which will cause you to be editing the RFD (or RFDO) page: there, supply a reason for the nomination. Tagged but not nominated pages will likely be detagged after the tagger has had a chance to nominate (though sometimes another editor will bring the nomination to RFD/RFDO himself if he knows of a reason to nominate it for deletion).​—msh210 (talk) 22:37, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Er, sorry, I should have linked: RFD is WT:RFD and RFDO is WT:RFDO.​—msh210 (talk) 22:39, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Because you replied on my talkpage, I continued the discussion there. Fyi.​—msh210 (talk) 18:13, 7 May 2012 (UTC)


Sorry, but marking an image used in more than two dozen pages for imminent deletion without even giving a reason is not a great way to go about things. Please use WT:RFDO by applying the {{rfd}} template to the page and clicking the little + button, then typing in your reasoning and pressing 'Save'. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 06:50, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Okay But the exact same image is on Commons and protected... —Justin (koavf)TCM 07:02, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, but we generally like to discuss stuff like this rather than delete out of process. As of now, each image needs to be dealt with individually. If you want to make a vote about image policy around here, I'd be glad to help. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 07:11, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Phrasebook entries at WT:RFD[edit]

Just so you know, idiomaticity has nothing to do with whether we keep these entries or not. They are Phrasebook entries, so instead we are judging them against the criteria at WT:PHRASE (such as "usefulness"). —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 20:17, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks I guess I can't really judge how important these would be for a phrasebook. —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:22, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Template:Matt Groening[edit]

Hello. I declined your request for speedy deletion of this template [1] because the template is currently in use at WT:Appendix-only pages. I don't get why Daniel made separate templates for everything on that page, but he did anyway. —Internoob 05:17, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

@Internoob: Now it just has two redlinks. What is the value of this? —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:16, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Well now that Daniel restored one of the pages, it has a blue link. I don't think it's worth it to orphan this page and delete it because now it is transcluded on two pages. So you can update both pages at once with a single edit. Might as well keep it around. —Internoob 06:35, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Also, red links are not considered as bad here as they are on Wikipedia. The idea is that they help us by showing what work still needs to get done. —Internoob 06:37, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
@Internoob: But why stop there? Should we create a redlink for w:Life in Hell? Redlinks definitely have value at Wikipedia as well. Plus, the appendix page would not be an orphan: it would be linked at Wiktionary:Appendix-only_pages and Wiktionary:Index to appendices. —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:42, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
You can add a red link for Life in Hell if you want to. I don't think anyone would object. There aren't really very many rules for what goes on in the Appendix namespace. If you really think that this template should be deleted, then bring it to WT:RFDO by adding {{rfd}} to the page. It's not a candidate for speedy deletion because it is being used and it at least has a purpose, even if that purpose is mundane. —Internoob 06:52, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Adding cats to categories with catboiler templates[edit]

In general, this is a bad idea. For one thing, such categories should already have all the categories they need supplied by the template (I just reverted an edit that did). More importantly, not using the template means that changes to the categorization code of the template won't apply uniformly to all the cats that use the templates, and renaming or deleting categories gets more complicated. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:21, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

@Chuck Entz: I am not opposed to using the templates--that's why I didn't remove them. The problem is simply sorting. Do you have a fix for that? —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:54, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
No, but if you ask at the Grease Pit, someone else might. The problem with your method is that sort keys should be generated by the templates/modules, so they can be done uniformly, and so they can be redone without redoing all of your edits one by one if consensus on sorting changes later. Why build a huge infrastructure out of paper clips and duct tape when you can flip a switch? Chuck Entz (talk) 05:47, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Beer parlour[edit]

I don't know what your timezone is, but Wiktionary operates in UTC. So could you please undo your post to the January BP page and either post it to the December page or wait till the UTC New Year. --WikiTiki89 17:12, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

@Wikitiki89: I was at work. Does it matter? —Justin (koavf)TCM 05:17, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
I guess it doesn't really matter, but keep that in mind for next time. --WikiTiki89 16:18, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Question about template[edit]

Template:compactTOC-ase It seems like you made this and have a kind of alphabetical order for sign language gestures. Did you create this order arbitrarily or is it standardized somewhere and you adapted it here? If you respond on your talk, please use Template:ping so I'm notified. Thanks and happy new year! —Justin (koavf)TCM 07:52, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

The order is arbitrary. The ASL phones (shapes/locations/motions that compose ASL phonemes) used in that transcription system are based on generally accepted ASL linguistics (which have evolved since Stokoe notation), but Unicode does not yet have code points for them, I'm not aware of any widely accepted sort order or latin-alphabet transliteration. The order in Template:compactTOC-ase is somewhat arbitrary and could be changed without contention. —Rod (A. Smith) 20:31, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
I take that back. It looks like there has been significant progress since I last researched this. w:SignWriting now has designated Unicode code points. We may want to base our transcription and/or sort order on SignWriting. —Rod (A. Smith) 20:38, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

your signature though[edit]

lol Equinox 00:23, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Time-honoured way to sight a Wikipedian, innit? I'd say mine is approaching the upper bounds of showiness for a classic Wiktionary sig. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:26, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Indeed, you little lexicoslut. Equinox 00:28, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
@Equinox: It's maybe not as understated as yours but I've seen worse. —Justin (koavf)TCM 00:33, 9 June 2016 (UTC)