User talk:Lukenji

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בית[edit]

Let's discuss here instead of edit warring. It is true that we give narrow phonetic transcriptions occasionally when they are particularly interesting, but even then we don't leave out the broad phonemic transcription. In this case, the narrow phonetic transcriptions are not particularly interesting anyway. Also, fringe research does not overrule established practice. --WikiTiki89 19:27, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Not particularly interesting to whom? A phonological change such as the disappearance of a yōḏ over the death and revival of Hebrew language is interesting, I think; and transcribing the Israeli pronunciation with the yōḏ would be simply misleading: that sound is clearly not there. Leave phonemic and phonetic transcriptions side-by-side (as is also standard, and e.g. done all the time in Latin lemmas), if you want. What you cannot do is deliberately conceal information from people.
In any case, the ⟨ː⟩ sign should be left out of the phonemic transcription, since all short vowels in stressed syllables had lengthened by the Tiberian time. The right place for that sign is the phonetic transcription.
I concede the point about fringe research regarding the [ɐː]. --Lukenji (talk) 20:17, 30 December 2015 (UTC).
Not particularly interesting, meaning that there is nothing special in this word with respect to the overall phonology of the language. While in this particular recording, and maybe in the majority of conversational Hebrew today, the [j] might be dropped, it is simply not true that the sound has entirely disappeared from the language. But I wouldn't mind transcribing it as /ˈba.(j)it/. Providing overly specific information can be more misleading than leaving it out. --WikiTiki89 20:27, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Okay, the latest revision is fair. --Lukenji (talk) 20:38, 30 December 2015 (UTC).

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