User talk:Rodasmith/Archive 3

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You are talking about this, right? To make sure I don't ask the wrong extension to be installed :-). It's apparently not made by our own devs, which I thought it was first. — Vildricianus 20:58, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, those are the "StringFunctions" I have mentioned a few times. Davilla also seems to be looking forward to them in order to improve {{cattag}}. Rod (A. Smith) 21:01, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Awaiting answer. — Vildricianus 21:05, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! Rod (A. Smith) 21:07, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Paradigm templates[edit]

I've noticed that you've switched formats on a number of the paradigm templates on pages that I edited. Has there been a consensus decision to switch to this new format, or is it still a matter of personal style? If the consensus was reached, can you tell me where the discussion is located so I can read what people had to say? Thanks. --EncycloPetey 00:02, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm referring to the grammatical forms listings that imediately follow the POS header. A simple page with an example is poobah. You switched out the table-formatted paradigm for a text-line version. Does that help you? --EncycloPetey 00:58, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
No. I've no concerns other than knowing whether we're making a decision for a particular style/template, so that I can edit accordingly as I peruse old pages. In particular, it would be appropriate to set all the July Words of the Day to the "new" format so that users become accumstomed to it. --EncycloPetey 01:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
The July WOTD are so updated. There was one adverb I didn't update because I haven't yet copied {{en-adj}} to {{en-adv}}. Call me lazy. Rod (A. Smith) 02:01, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

etymon template[edit]

This template will not be adequate for Latin etymologies. The problem is that the Latin entry pages (by convention) lack pronunciation macrons that are typically included in dictionaries, but the display form should include them (see Iulius for an example). There needs to be an additional slot for this display form when it is necessary, but the template musn't require the form or Bad Things are likely to happen when people neglect to include it. --EncycloPetey 00:09, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Addendum: You can see what I mean in the etymology section of ululate. --EncycloPetey 01:20, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I applied {{etymon}} to "ululate". Does that address your concern? Rod (A. Smith) 01:27, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, thanks. --EncycloPetey 01:28, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


Hiya RS. Can I ask where you got this one from? A poisonous spider in old English was called an ātorcoppe or āttorcoppe, which in Middle and early modern English became attercop. Your entry seems to be a cross between the it a Middle English form? If so I would be tempted to change it to =English= with an (obsolete) tag. Cheers, Widsith 08:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


{{en-noun}} works pretty nice so far... One thing: there's some missing logic in the parameter names. I've got "sg", "pl2", "pl3"... where's "pl"? I feel that the following should work:

{{en-noun|sg=[[dwop]] [[blopus]]|pl=dwop blopi}}


{{en-noun|sg=[[dwop]] [[blopus]]|dwop blopi}}

...just doesn't looks right. Minor issue, though. — Vildricianus 13:41, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


{{en-noun|pl=dwop blopi|sg=dwop blopus}}

I'm quite happy with that parameter because it lets "{en-noun|pl=...}" prefix the plural with a "plural" tag while "{en-noun|'[plurale tantum]'}" etc. can display extended notes without the unwelcome "plural" prefix. Rod (A. Smith) 17:23, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, awesome. — Vildricianus 17:27, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


Hi, can you archive rfv to June. I don’t know how to do it. Also, it should apparently link to WT:RFVA, but I dunno how to do that either, so I'll leave it to clever & competent people - like you. Many thanks Andrew massyn 17:55, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I archived the May entries stricken since the last archive, but there weren't very many June entries stricken yet. I am uncertain as to the exact the rules for deciding when to strike an entry from WT:RFV. It looks like entries more than a month old can be stricken after a week of no activity, but that means each such entry must be reviewed to see whether it passed RFV. Are you (or anyone else) able to review the remaining entries up to "ho tag" to determine which ones to strike? If so, I'd be happy to archive them. Rod (A. Smith) 00:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks muchly!! I have been striking all the ones not deleted (didn't think I needed to strike the deleted ones), so May is pretty much done, except for one entry I didnt know what to do with. I have been away recently, so I'll get to June's entries this month. Also, its been decided to keep lolicon, so that can go. Connell moaned at me for not putting the link to WT:RFVA, so I left a general bleat at the grease pit asking if anyone could link the 'rfvfailed' template to WT:RFVA. Is this possible? Once again thanks for shortening the rfv page. Andrew massyn 17:19, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

en-verb bug[edit]




Perhaps you need to fiddle with linebreaks in there. — Vildricianus 19:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the following should be valid:
*''US:'' {{en-verb}}
Remember that some users see the inflection line as a wiki table, which cannot be prefixed with "*US:". (Or am I missing your point?) Rod (A. Smith) 19:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, that's not really the point. Although it's a valid reason not to bother at all :-). But seeing both systems get displayed when something is prefixed to the line made me think that there might be an minor error. Probably not, but oh well, still worth noting perhaps. — Vildricianus 19:22, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


Coincidentally, you created the early bird catches the worm right before VildBot changed the early bird gets the worm :-). One of these should be a redirect, I guess. — Vildricianus 17:31, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, nice coincidence. There appear to be a similar number of cites for either form, so let precedence set priority. Rod (A. Smith) 17:40, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


I asked User talk:Vildricianus about creating this and he said to go ahead and try; think I've got it about where I want for the first pass. What do you think? Robert Ullmann 21:49, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I like that it accepts this form:
That will allow us to have the template categorize Swhili nouns into classes based on the prefix change. Since there is no common affix to pluralize Swahili nouns, so it makes sense that you have the argument-free invocation produce the uncountable (usually abstract noun?) output. I'm not sure whether the Swahili templates must support the table-format output that the corresponding English templates support, but I would think that consistent output format between all language entries may be desirable. What do you think? Rod (A. Smith) 22:25, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Nouns like mbuzi aren't uncountable; they take count (or measure) words when meaningful: "mbuzi" goat; "mbuzi tatu" three goats. This is common in Bantu words that are not in noun classes, such as M-WA. And there are some irregulars, but not many. I took out the table format to make it easier; I was learning the template syntax (this is the first template I've edited on a wiki). Robert Ullmann 22:41, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Your first template? You sure chose an ambitious place to start! You'll probably find plenty of interesting quirks to stay entertained as you go. :-)
Anyway, thanks for the explanation about the countable, non-pluralizable nouns, and it makes complete sense to start without the table format. I like the template name and parameter model, which are probably the most important aspects of template design (so invoking pages can be written just once). Everything else about your template looks good, too, so I'd say to add the table output and announe the template on WT:GP!
(Note, there will probably be a push soon to move to the new 3-letter ISO language codes, but even so, template redirects from the 2-letter versions will keep existing invocations working.) Rod (A. Smith) 23:49, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. I put the table code back in; managed to get it right in one edit! (all those braces, sigh) Not too hard, just think: I could have started with cattag (foreach? Urk!) ... Robert Ullmann 12:03, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I've added a note to WT:GP. Is there some reason why we won't continue using the 2 letter codes, using the 3 letter codes only when needed (or better)? Applications that use IS 639 often do this. In any case, I think this may end up as bantu-noun (or similar) with redirects from sw/swa and quite a few others.

If you look at watoto you'll note that it could be created entirely from the mtoto page. (It did reference children but I note others don't do that. Is just a SMOC if desired.) I'm thinking of working on an InflBot that can create pages (or language sections) automatically from the root inflection templates. For verbs, adjectives, etc. as well of course. It would need some knowledge of the templates for each language class ... Robert Ullmann


My brother had a hematoma, in fact of the contra-coup variety. He fell well-drunk down the stairs to the basement, and hit his head on the thing above. And within that magic hour, had neurosurgery that saved his life and mind, sort-of.

The word is not spelled haematoma. --Allamakee Democrat 06:27, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand what you're trying to tell me. Are you saying I made a mistake somewhere, e.g. in this edit to the word "haematoma"? Rod (A. Smith) 06:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Hematoma is how it is spelled in English. --Allamakee Democrat 06:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Heamatomata is possible, but silly, in AmE. A hematoma is a bruise. A contra-coup injury is a neurological disaster area. Such is my brother.--Allamakee Democrat 07:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I empathize with you for your brother's injury. I know that the classical spelling haematoma looks a bit unusual compared with the modern hematoma, but as you can see from , the spelling with "ae" is also English. Also, although the naturalized hematomas is more common, and show that the classical -ata plural is also used. Rod (A. Smith) 07:33, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


If you are around right now, check recent changes.--Allamakee Democrat 04:36, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

This user page. See Mario Mario and excite.--Allamakee Democrat 04:40, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Reverted and blocked. Rod (A. Smith) 04:43, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Verbs with more than one word[edit]

How would I use the en-verb template on an antry like sight read? The template Talk page doesn't discuss verb with a space in them, so rather than replying to me, just put an explanation on the template's talk page. --EncycloPetey 03:36, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Continued at WT:GP#Extension to split and link to components of multi-word entries. Rod (A. Smith) 03:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


Hi can you archive up to June? I've done everything on the main list. Many thanks Andrew massyn 21:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Done. Rod (A. Smith) 00:46, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Commons Hilfe[edit]

Hallo Rodasmith, könntest du bitte helfen ein bild auf den commons auszutauschen. Das Bild Image:Attention niels epting 01.png liegt jetzt als svg-version vor: Image:Attention niels epting.svg. Um das png auf den commons löschen zu können müßte hier in en.wiktionary auf der gesperrten Seite MediaWiki:Uploadtext das bild gegen die svg-version ausgetauscht werden. Es wäre schön wenn du helfen könntest! Viele Grüße commons:User:GeorgHH -- 19:25, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Begrüßungen, Georg! Wie du verlangtest, habe ich die Bilder auf MediaWiki:Uploadtext ausgetauscht. Rod (A. Smith) 00:26, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Super, vielen Dank für deine Hilfe! commons:User:GeorgHH-- 00:59, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


Hi there. I'm just wondering, why is speedrun not a portmanteau? You edited it a while back to remove that mentioning. I'm not a native speaker of English and I don't know everything about the more difficult parts of the language, so it would be great if you could explain the rule to me. :) 11:08, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Oops, that was me not logged in. Msikma 11:08, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Msikma. "speedrun" is just astandard compound word. A portmanteau word blends its component words by using only part of each, and usually by sharing a vowel from each, e.g. "smog" ("smoke" + "fog"). If there were a portmanteau for the speedrun concept, it might combine "play" + "race" to produce "placing". Rod (A. Smith) 16:34, 13 August 2006 (UTC)