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Thanks for cleaning up WT:REE[edit]

God knows it needs it! Equinox 00:43, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

@Equinox No problem at all! Glad to help, as I agree. WikiWinters (talk) 01:24, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Requested entries[edit]

You are being a little too aggressive IMO in removing items from WT:REE. We tend to be very inclusive there because it is a source or new ideas. We usually do some quick research before deletion. And we keep things on requested entries for a long time because it often takes a while to find someone sympathetic to the suggestion. OTOH, it needs some cleanup from time to time. Generally, User:Equinox does/did a pretty good job of fulfilling and deleting requests — not that he has an exclusive right to either of those tasks. Happy editing. DCDuring TALK 14:24, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

@DCDuring I agree, and thanks. WikiWinters (talk) 14:43, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
I undid a few of your most recent removals, mostly to illustrate areas of difference of opinion in this regard. By the way, streetcam will probably turn out to be attestable, which would permit street cam by the principle in WT:COALMINE. The vote on "coalmine" was intended to find some principle to reduce the volume of RfD debate over marginally includable terms. It probably leads to including some entries that no other dictionary or glossary would include. DCDuring TALK 15:08, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
@DCDuring Yes, I saw. Thank you. However, I have a question regarding copyrighted dictionary content. Is it acceptable to simply copy and paste the definition of a word from, for example, Merriam-Webster and include it? WikiWinters (talk) 15:32, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
Not really, as tempting as it may be. You should look around at some other dictionaries for some alternative wordings and then come up with your own, if at all possible. If multiple dictionaries use the same wording, then I think you can do the same. To look at multiple dictionaries I use the template {{R:OneLook|taxon}} which yields taxon at OneLook Dictionary Search. I also have some other dictionaries as browser tabs. It can be in a References or External links section of any English language entry. Leaving it in the entry allows users to look at other dictionaries conveniently and helps make up for any gaps we have (which are many). Webster 1913 and Century 1911 (usually available via Wordnik on OneLook) are comprehensive dictionaries that are out of copyright, but often dated in wording and missing modern words or senses. Wikipedia articles sometimes have definitions, which can be pared down to dictionary-type definitions. DCDuring TALK 17:46, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
@DCDuring Alright, great, thanks for all your help! Happy editing to you, too. WikiWinters (talk) 18:02, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Genders in translations[edit]

When adding nouns in languages that have genders, can you please provide the genders too? —CodeCat 01:09, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

@CodeCat Yes, sorry, I was just doing quick machine translations. WikiWinters (talk) 01:21, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Requested_entries_(Chinese)[edit]

Thank you for your work here. Please remember that pinyin syllables do not have a space in them unless they denote compounds within a word. In other words, all Chinese 词 do not have a space between the pinyin syllables, e.g. Zhōngguó not Zhōng guó. Thanks. ---> Tooironic (talk) 06:20, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

@Tooironic Yes, I understand. I've tried to incorporate that rule into my edits. However, I was always under the impression that 词 can be part of a compound under specific circumstances. Also, one rule that is definitely more debatable, is it required to capitalize proper nouns in pinyin (e.g. Zhōngguó instead of zhōngguó)? Thank you. WikiWinters (talk) 10:02, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Proper nouns are capitalised in pinyin - geographical, people's or company names but not languages, ethnicities, let alone weekday or month names. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 10:40, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

æcirn[edit]

Did you mean to create this as modern English? It doesn't look like it. Also, contemporary modern English, or 15th century or something? Renard Migrant (talk) 12:15, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I was simply relying on the listing for the word in the requested entries list. Do you have any idea? WikiWinters (talk) 13:12, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
So it's just pure guesswork? Then yes I have an idea, which is speedy deletion. Renard Migrant (talk) 13:13, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
@Renard Migrant The information provided on the requested entries page was that it was a modern English term and an Anglo-Saxon derivation. It is not pure guesswork. I was simply asking if you had any idea, as in any more information. It is in John R. Clark Hall's A Concise Anglo-Saxon Dictionary, so I'm not sure how that warrants speedy deletion. Do as you may. WikiWinters (talk) 13:26, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Anglo-Saxon's another term for Old English, not modern English. Speedy deletion does not mean the page title is an invalid one, just that the content is unacceptable. By your own admission you've created this in blind faith without doing any research so you've done an excellent job of convincing me the content isn't valid. Renard Migrant (talk) 15:38, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
@Renard Migrant But it is English, is it not? WikiWinters (talk) 18:54, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Rearranging WT:REE[edit]

Please comment on Wiktionary:Beer_parlour/2014/November#Reordering_the_years_on_Requested_entries_pages. You use the page more than most. DCDuring TALK 00:06, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

WT:REE - Đông Sơn culture[edit]

The presence of a WP article does not prove that it's English. Many foreign city names, etc. have WP articles. WT:REE is for English requests, not Vietnamese ones. Equinox 23:40, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

@Equinox My mistake. Where would I post it, assuming it meets the criteria for an entry? (Although, I know that it probably doesn't.) WikiWinters (talk) 23:50, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Can you believe I avoided reading the reply until now? I'm such a delicate flower. Hah. Anyway: one sign of adoption of a foreign word is the presence of inflections (e.g. Bolsheviks with the English -s plural). You can't usually do this with a proper noun because obviously it doesn't pluralise and isn't going to inflect like a verb. But as far as I understand it, Vietnamese uses a Latinate script (and correct me if I'm a wrong idiot) so you ought to post at [1]. Equinox 01:14, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

計息 and 计息[edit]

Hi,

Please be more attentive to trad./simp. differences. Your 计息 failed to show the correct traditional form. Pls note that we are in the process of centralising the content under traditional characters. So, 计息 is now converted to a soft-redirect.

Re: your last edit on 計息: 6个月 are three words - a number, a classifier and a noun. In Japanese and Korean, ヶ月/개월 are counters for months. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 02:02, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Moved from User_talk:Atitarev

I noticed you just reverted my revision for 計息, but isn't "6個月" a compound? WikiWinters (talk) 01:59, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

I've just replied on User_talk:WikiWinters#.E8.A8.88.E6.81.AF_and_.E8.AE.A1.E6.81.AF (before you posted your question). No, they are not compounds, 六月 (June) is. In Japanese "6ヶ月" would be two words: 6 + ヶ月. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 02:05, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
@Atitarev Just FYI (I understand your point, but just for reference), this is how this particular web dictionary has it: "Xuéshēng dàikuǎn cóng xuésheng líkāi xuéxiào liùgèyuè hòu kāishǐ jìxī hé chánghuán" (http://linedictionary.naver.com/dict.html#/cnen/entry/70724d49ac4c419e83a6792840461ca7&ts=0.8786127394996583). WikiWinters (talk) 02:15, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
That's fine. The pinyin in Nciku is not always perfect and maybe they think it's easier to read that way. Since we link individual words and we are not going to have entries for 6個月/6个月 or 六個月/六个月, then it's important to make a space. Although ja/ko ヶ月/개월 (counters for months) terms are derived from Chinese 個月/个月, 個/个 are the classifiers for months and you need to add 月. Korean and Japanese would still consider the preceding number a separate word. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 02:22, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

guanosine monophosphate[edit]

Hi. If something has a Wikipedia article then why not just create it, instead of adding to WT:REE? That page is so huge, and so few people work to keep it short, and I'd prefer to see it used for words people really can't find a meaning for. Just a thought. Equinox 17:31, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

@Equinox You're absolutely right. I'll do that for now on. Thanks for the input. WikiWinters (talk) 18:05, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

浩瀚[edit]

Hi,

I noticed you created this entry manually, that's fine but there was no PoS, no wikilinks. You can try using {{zh-new}}, e.g.:

{{subst:zh-new|adj|[[vast]] (of ocean) # [[boundless]]}}

on a new entry (a red link), which may pick up Cantonese, Min Nan and Hakka readings and add interwiki. Very useful tool. :) --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 06:41, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

@Atitarev Wow, I did not know this! This will prove to be very useful indeed! Thanks! WikiWinters (talk) 11:29, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 :) I have achieved much better results with 進貢:

{{subst:zh-new|v|to offer tribute # to pay tribute that a vassal owes to his suzerain}}

Now it also has Hakka and Min Nan readings (because they are in data modules) and categorised as a verb. For simplified entries, just {{subst:zh-new}} will do. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 00:52, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Word of the Day[edit]

Just so you know, it's not that all these terms are being featured again, per se, it's that no one has bothered to set new words, so the system falls back on the old words. - -sche (discuss) 02:13, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

@-sche Wow, thanks for letting me know! Should I stop adding the word of the day template then? WikiWinters (talk) 02:15, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
If you notice that you're adding a WOTD template right after another WOTD template for the same date (different year), you could skip adding it. It's not at all a problem if you add it, it's just not a necessary use of your time. :P This conversation did inspire me to set a couple weeks of new words, though, and add templates to their entries. (It's just really time-consuming to set new WsOTD, which is why people stopped doing it.) - -sche (discuss) 19:24, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

ferly[edit]

FYI, this failed WT:RFV as an English word (all uses that anyone could find were Scots or Middle English; 3 modern English uses couldn't be found), which is why I converted it to a Scots entry. Sorry if using rollback on your edit rather than explaining that in an edit summary came across as rude. - -sche (discuss) 22:20, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

@-sche No, I appreciate the clarification, so, thanks! However, I'm confused about what to do with ferlie, currently an English entry and listed as an alternative form of ferly, a Scots one. Ferlie has a good number of hits on OneLook for English entries, but it doesn't seem right to list an English word as an alternative form of a Scots word. WikiWinters (talk) 22:27, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
If ferlie were actually attested in English, the thing to do would be to basically copy the definitions from ferly to ferlie, at which point Scots ferly could be defined simply as ferlie, rather than defined in detail as it is now. However, the uses of ferlie that I can find are all Scots or eye-dialect of fairly. (For that matter, The English Dialect Dictionary has a number of citations — of Scots, which it, unlike Wiktionary, subsumes into English — where people have spelt ferly as fairly.) - -sche (discuss) 23:24, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

WT:REE: game, set and match[edit]

Hi. Check the entry before you remove a link just because it's blue. The game, set and match entry was pretty much gibberish; also, it didn't cover the figurative sense I had requested. Thanks. Equinox 21:56, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

@Equinox My apologies. I assumed that the page was simply for the requesting of English entries, not for cleaning specific pages up. Thank you for enlightening me once again. However, I'm curious as to why you decided to remove the entry rather than clean it up and replace the gibberish with a definition for the correct sense. --WikiWinters (talk) 22:03, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
That's because the WT:REE request was my own request, and I wanted someone else to define it! I am not totally sure how to do so myself. Equinox 00:52, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
Just to be totally clear: the content of the "game, set and match" article, which I called "gibberish", was not just something I disliked, but actually didn't make much sense and didn't use any of our formatting or headers (content: "It ws word used tennice game. game means a winner a fame. set means winner of a set and mach means winner of majorty of sets."). That is sort of adorable, and perhaps somebody could tidy up the tennis sense (if it isn't the obvious sum of parts), but WT:REE was asking for a figurative sense. I don't entirely know what the fig sense means but I suppose it's a way of saying "(somebody managed to achieve) a crushing defeat"... or...? Hmm. Anyway, the moral of the story is that a blue link doesn't always mean that the work has been done. Or something. Equinox 01:04, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

saman[edit]

Hi WW. According to the OED, saman is synonymous with guango and zamang; however, that causes some confusion, because those three entries suggest that the corresponding taxonomic name is Enterolobium saman, Pithecolobium saman, Pithecolobium samang, and/or Samanea saman; moreover, guango is supposedly synonymous with rain tree, whose taxonomic name is Brunefelsia pubescens in the OED, but Albizia saman according to our entry, which makes zamang and rain tree synonymous. This is a very confusing situation. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 13:29, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

@I'm so meta even this acronym Hey, I.S.M.E.T.A.! Yes, it is indeed. Perhaps @Equinox has some thoughts on the matter. --WikiWinters (talk) 13:41, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
@Chuck Entz, DCDuring You guys do a lot of work with taxonomy; can you clarify this situation at all? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 21:45, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
The following are synonyms for Albizia saman, an accepted name per The Plant List: Acacia propinqua, Calliandra saman, Enterolobium saman, Feuilleea saman, Inga cinerea, Inga salutaris, Inga saman, Mimosa pubifera, Mimosa saman, Pithecellobium cinereum, Pithecellobium saman, Pithecellobium saman, Pithecolobium saman, Samanea saman, Zygia saman.
And this ignores variations in authorship. This doesn't include Pithecolobium samang for some reason. I'll look further to find out about Brunfelsia pubescens. DCDuring TALK 22:05, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
According to WP, raintree is a common name for species of Brunfelsia. See w:Brunfelsia. DCDuring TALK 22:17, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
I've added a lot of vernacular names for rain tree in the sense Albizia saman. DCDuring TALK 22:19, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Three species of Brunfelsia have varieties call pubescens per The Plant List, but there is no Brunfelsia pubsecens there. DCDuring TALK 22:22, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
This is exactly the kind of thing that we need to straighten out as best we can. A name like rain tree or raintree can be a calque from many languages and my refer to living things of the same species or genus or rather different ones, even by native English speakers uninfluenced by other languages. The synonymy within taxonomic names at species and genus level is handled fairly well by specialty taxonomy sites. Vernacular names are not handled well, often not at all, except at a few sites like FishBase. DCDuring TALK 22:33, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
@DCDuring: Thanks for chiming in. I've created soft redirects for all those synonyms you listed. BTW, your post above (timestamped: 22:22, 16 March 2015) seems self-contradictory to me… — I.S.M.E.T.A. 13:14, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
@I'm so meta even this acronym: re: purported self-contradiction: To paraphrase, there is no binomial Brunfelsia pubescens that I have found, but I have found three trinomials in Brunfelsia (varieties in this case) that contain pubescens. DCDuring TALK 13:41, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
@DCDuring: Ah, OK; that makes sense now. I've cited the purported occurrence of Brunefelsia pubescens at Citations:rain tree (q.v.), which is evidently in fact Brunfelsia americana pubescens; the OED had misquoted that source as “Brunefelsia pubescens Rain-tree... Flowers odorous before rain.”. Is Brunfelsia americana pubescens one of your trinominals? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 21:43, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
AFAICR, yes. DCDuring TALK 21:46, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @DCDuring: So, Brunfelsia americana pubescens is a synonym of Albizia saman, yes? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 23:11, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

  • No it is just something else called rain tree. DCDuring TALK 00:08, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
    I have a list of WP disambiguation pages for various vernacular names at User:DCDuring/Vernacular_plant_names_from_Wikipedia_disambiguation_pages. And those are just the ones someone at WP noticed. There are plenty more. DCDuring TALK 00:13, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
    If you would like to see what is involved in disambiguating/defining vernacular names, see [[nettle]]. I don't know whether we really want to go that far for many vernacular names and whether that is a desirable model, but there it is. DCDuring TALK 00:19, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Whitelisting[edit]

Hi WW. Could you turn your user page into a real user page (rather than just a redirect), preferably with Babel boxes and an indication of your time zone, so that I can nominate you for whitelisting, please? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 21:03, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

@I'm so meta even this acronym Hey! I just converted my user page to a functioning one. As for the nomination, I'm honored! It means a lot to me, so thank you! --WikiWinters (talk) 21:31, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
You're welcome. Thanks for sorting that. I've nominated you; I'll let you know once the nomination is approved or its approval has been deferred. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 11:15, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
You were approved, so I made you an autopatroller. Congratulations. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 20:06, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
@I'm so meta even this acronym Thank you very much! --WikiWinters (talk) 20:07, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
You are, of course, welcome. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 20:08, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

ケイジービケージービー[edit]

Heya, earlier today I created ケージービー. I just removed your request for ケイジービー from Wiktionary:Wanted_entries, but since the spelling is different, I was worried you wouldn't find out about the new entry, so I wrote here to let you know.  :) FWIW, the ケイジービー spelling is rare enough that I can't find adequate evidence to meet CFI.

Cheers, ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 22:36, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

@Eirikr Thank you for letting me know! I trust your judgment. :) --WikiWinters (talk) 23:04, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Requested entries (Chinese)[edit]

Hi,

Some place names in the request page include are still SOP and include words 大學, 市, 州 (e.g. we don't have the English entry for Harvard University but I've made 哈佛). Please see if we have terms without suffixes for cities, provinces, universities, etc., e.g. 基隆市 = 基隆 + . --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 02:01, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

I'll fix it. Thanks for the notice. --WikiWinters (talk) 13:48, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Gummiberry[edit]

Hi, i need information about word gummiberry, so i added request to Requested entries (English). But it was deleted. I see the problem, but is it possible to make the entry for example in an Appendix like this? Thank you for your patience. --Palu (talk) 09:52, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

@Palu Hi, thanks for the question. Yes, I would recommend that you add it to that appendix. As you can see, all of the entries on that page are also uncreated, so your word would fit in with the others. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask me. --WikiWinters (talk) 12:23, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
I dont know environment of english Wiktionary, so i dont know which concrete appendix is the right. Can you give some suggestion? Thanx. --Palu (talk) 12:41, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
@Palu If it's a Star Trek word, then the Star Trek appendix should be right. --WikiWinters (talk) 12:44, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
No, gummiberry is a Gummi Bears word. --Palu (talk) 12:48, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
@Palu Oh, my apologies. I don't think there are any appendixes that are suitable for the word, unfortunately. Here is the list of all appendixes on English Wiktionary. @Equinox Any thoughts? --WikiWinters (talk) 13:15, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Nevermind. It would be good to make some "Fairy tales appendix" for example, but it can't be helped. Thank you for your patiente. And @Equinox, thank you for some potential idea. --Palu (talk) 13:20, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
We did have some such appendices (for Harry Potter and various anime stuff, etc.) but they were eventually deleted by consensus: some of them were very obscure, and there was only one user who seemed to want to create them. Equinox 16:53, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
@Palu (I'm just pinging you in case you didn't know Equinox replied.) --WikiWinters (talk) 17:05, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Dungan requests[edit]

Dungan requests go in WT:Requested entries (Dungan). — justin(r)leung (t...) | c=› } 23:04, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

@Justinrleung Thanks.  WikiWinters ☯ 韦安智  23:05, 10 May 2016 (UTC)