Category talk:Transitive verbs by language
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And Category:Intransitive verbs by language, Category:Ambitransitive verbs by language, Category:Ditransitive verbs by language, and their subcategories. They seem rather useless to me, like nouns by gender and countability. Ultimateria (talk) 23:41, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
- Keep as a parent cat. In many languages, they are quite linguistically important. --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 23:56, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
- I think it's a good idea to distinguish transitivity in entries, but I just can't imagine any use for these categories. Is anyone really going to need a list of transitive verbs in Icelandic? Ultimateria (talk) 15:42, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- I feel about the same as Ultimateria, but not strongly enough to care if these get kept or deleted. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:56, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- I think it's a good idea to distinguish transitivity in entries, but I just can't imagine any use for these categories. Is anyone really going to need a list of transitive verbs in Icelandic? Ultimateria (talk) 15:42, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- Delete. Maro 18:27, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
- What about Category:Ergative verbs by language? —CodeCat 12:04, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
- Keep all. Both linguists and language-learners can benefit from categories like these. —Angr 17:49, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
- How? Mglovesfun (talk) 21:32, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
- If I'm studying how transitive verbs in Icelandic work, it's good to have a list of them to test my hypotheses on. —Angr 22:07, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
- How? Mglovesfun (talk) 21:32, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
- The main problem with categories like these is that transitivity is dependent on sense. Some senses of a verb may be intransitive, some may be transitive. So the titles are a bit misleading: it's not the verbs that are transitive, it's their senses. —CodeCat 21:41, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
- Well, again that depends on the language. True in English, but false in Tok Pisin. --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 05:18, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
- Ok, in that case keep then. It would be nice if
{{transitive}}categorised entries in this category again, though. —CodeCat 11:09, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
- Ok, in that case keep then. It would be nice if
- Well, again that depends on the language. True in English, but false in Tok Pisin. --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 05:18, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
- Keep per Angr and Metaknowledge. - -sche (discuss) 16:54, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
As already stated, these categories may be very misleading: e.g. in French, transitive verbs almost always have intransitive uses, and many verbs generally considered as intransitive (e.g. nager) also have transitive uses in some cases. Should they be included in both categories? If kept, the meaning (and the name) of these categories should be clarified, so that verbs such as nager don't appear in both Transitive and Intransitive verbs (which is currently the case with fr.wikt, very unfortunately, because categorization is automatic through templates). Or these categories could be restricted to some languages. Lmaltier (talk) 22:09, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
- Kept--ElisaVan (talk) 12:10, 6 October 2013 (UTC)