Talk:嗯

RFV discussion: October 2013–May 2014

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嗯

Rfv-sense for ân Vietnamese reading, as it's not listed either in the Unihan database nor at the Nom Foundation website. Bumm13 (talk) 03:28, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I see that whoever added the Vietnamese section assumed that 嗯 matches its phonetic component (恩) character's primary reading. This assumes that it isn't somehow irregular or that linguistic drift hasn't occurred, so a citation would be very helpful. Bumm13 (talk) 03:34, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Last call. bd2412 T 15:03, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Deleted. bd2412 T 16:36, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Xiandai Hanyu Cidian vs. Xiandai Hanyu Guifan Cidian: 嗯

• On the '新HSK（六级）（5000）'page of the '新汉语水平考试（HSK）词汇（2012年修订版）' ('HSK-2012.xls') spreadsheet provided at http://chinesetest.cn/godownload.do, the character 嗯 follows 能源 (néngyuán) and is followed by 拟定 (nǐdìng).
• This could only be the case if the pinyin used in alphabetizing the list was based on a standard in which 嗯 was to be read as 'ng'.
• The 现代汉语规范词典第二版 (from 2010) page 348 and the 现代汉语规范词典第三版 (from 2014) page 348 gives the readings éng, ěng, and èng for the character 嗯. There is no indication given that there are other readings.
• 现代汉语规范词典第三版 (from 2014) page 955 does not have any characters listed with a pronunciation 'ng'. Further, 嗯 is not found among the characters with the pronunciation 'en' on page 348, and page 939 does not have any characters listed with a pronunciation 'n'.
• I only have 现代汉语规范词典第二版 (from 2010) to page 889. 嗯 is not found among the characters with the pronuncation 'en' on page 348.
• The 现代汉语词典第五版 (from 2005) pages 990-991 (and page 974) , the 现代汉语词典第六版 (from 2012) page 942 (and page 926) and the 现代汉语词典第六版 (from 2016) page 947 (and page 931) give 嗯 six pronunciations: ńg, ń, ňg, ň, ǹg, and ǹ.
• These six pronunciations are also found on page 1653 of 辞海第六版(from 2009). 嗯 is not found among the characters with the pronunciation 'en' on pages 537-539, and page 539 does not have any characters listed with a pronunciation 'eng'. Page 1623 does not have any characters listed with a pronunciation 'n'.
• The 普通话异读词审因表 and it's 初稿s seem not to explicitly touch on the pronunciation of 嗯.
• The 现代汉语词典第五版 (from 2005) pages 358-9, the 现代汉语词典第六版 (from 2012) page 342 and the 现代汉语词典第六版 (from 2016) page 343 don't have 嗯 listed among the characters pronounced 'en' or 'eng'.
• Therefore, at least in the case of 嗯, the HSK vocabulary list did not follow the pinyin given in the 现代汉语规范词典 and did follow the pinyin given in a standard that is consistent with 现代汉语词典 and 辞海. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 09:57, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

13 pronunciations

I would say add all variant pronunciations and then add on detailed notes. I count 13 pronunciations: ńg, ń, ňg, ň, ǹg, ǹ, éng, ěng, èng, én, ěn, èn and en. I would say add them all with clear usage notes etc and then let the reader sort it out. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 12:11, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

pinyin input

I feel like it should be mentioned somewhere that this character is typed using pinyin input software as "en" and never as "n" or "ng". AFAIK this is the only character that is typed very differently to the way it is officially transcribed. ---> Tooironic (talk) 13:53, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

I agree that some kind of mention should be made. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 14:16, 8 February 2019 (UTC)