Talk:kiki

RFV

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Rfv-sense - Filipino noun. Anon user has suggested this is false (here and in rambling emails), but has always destroyed valid definitions at the same time as trying to remove the Filipino. SemperBlotto 08:19, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

• Would it be possible he's also Mediawatchdog2 (talk • contribs)? TeleComNasSprVen 08:30, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Yes, also Correction (talk • contribs) and Sickoffools (talk • contribs) - probably ought to be blocked for sockpuppet misuse. SemperBlotto 10:10, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

There is one Filipino dictionary online that lists it here. Problem is, where do you find durably archived Filipino texts and who would read them? For other dictionaries, if the word does exist they might want to exclude it, in the same way some dictionaries exclude nigger, cunt and so on. --Mglovesfun (talk) 09:50, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

• I left a message with User:Icqgirl, who I think speaks Filipino (though she doesn't list it), but at any rate she lives there so may have better references. Ƿidsiþ 10:16, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

• The Google translate feature gives the Filipino meaning as (deprecated template usage) vulva. I've tried Google book search using a combination of likely adjectives (!) without success as yet. SemperBlotto 14:24, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
  • There are certainly some hits in what looks to me to be Filipino texts (could be Tagalog I suppose). Oh and I've cited the French. I do find it very arrogant when I used proclaims 'this word doesn't exist', clearly he/she didn't do his research for the French. Just asked a native French speaker and she knows it. --Mglovesfun (talk) 14:32, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

• The aforementioned anon has now taken to vandalizing my Wikipedia talk page. It seems to me that, in the absence of Filipino citations, we should assume good faith on the part of the original contributor. SemperBlotto 07:36, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

  This situation, where there is an RFV and there are no speakers of that language to even try and verify it has happened before. I think last time used use {{rfquote}} and just left it hoping that eventually someone would come across it and add a citation. I'm not delighted about it, but is it any worse than deleting the entry without any evidence that it's invalid? --Mglovesfun (talk) 16:18, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

• Hello. I have asked around what it means (chorused by embarrassed giggles, as you may imagine). The definition on the page is true. --Icqgirl 14:05, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

  Good enough for me, RFV closed. (We'll leave the RFquotes in though.) Ƿidsiþ 12:56, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Non-butch/femme sense defdate

On the citations page and in the following citation there is evidence it was used from the 1940s, into the 1950s and 1960s, and Calla Felicity documents that it was used into the late 1970s as well.

• 1990, Andrew Holleran, Eric Garber, Lyn Paleo, Uranian Worlds: A Guide to Alternative Sexuality in Science Fiction, Fantasy, and Horror, G K Hall, page 5 ("Anonymous. "Kiki." Vice Versa (Los Angeles), December 1947. [F] "Kiki" makes an amusing historical comment on lesbian subculture. In 1940s lesbian slang, "kiki" meant a lesbian who was neither butch nor femme."

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