Talk:Bikol

Etymology

@Mlgc1998 Looking into this, I don't think it makes sense to add a Tagalog word. If it's a local name, then it's from a local language. Based on what I've Googled, it seems like the term "Bikol" was first used to refer to the river, and then to the region. So I think, just my intelligent guess, since a lot of places in the Philippines are named after plants, probably it's from the bikol-bikol, defined in my dictionary as "timber producing tree species, also possessing a bark once used for making rope." It probably grew near the river or along the river. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 10:34, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser Yeah, I put in Tagalog mostly just cuz I saw it in that old dictionary for Tagalog and couldn't confirm if it was the same case for Bicolano/Bicol languages, so I thought more of the supposed tree (arbol) as a term Tagalog either got from Bicolano or as an identical cognate. Then later, I found that there's an old dictionary as well for Bicolano around the same sort of years. The book had an entry for "BICOL", but it referred to the province, river, language, people itself and yeah, they particularly mentioned the Bicol River (rio de Bicol) besides the province. They put the definition for the tree one (Madero, ó palo, ó árbol, ó cordel retorcido) at "BICOLBICOL" tho, not sure if they meant singular or plural, or they really don't mean just Bicol for that tree anymore. It does make more sense tho that people (at least speaking Tagalog) to say like "sa may Bicol" to be referring to both "by that (kind of) tree", then "the river", then "the whole region", than to say "sa may Bico"[?], for "by the bend"[?], but Idk if it makes complete sense for Bicol languages. They seem close enough in the sort of grammar, but just different enough vocabulary cognates. Mlgc1998 (talk) 01:35, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser The pronunciation guide in the Vocabulario de la lengua bicol (1865) also seems to put "pp." for "BICOL" and "BICOLBICOL", while "pc." for "BICÓ", which these "pc."/"pp." is not explained in the book but the Vocabulario de la lengua tagala (1860) uses it too and names them as "Penúltima producta grave…: (pp.) Penúltima producta pausal: (pp.^a) Penúltima correpta grave: (pc.) Penúltima correcta gutural: (pc.^a)", which a book in JSTOR called "Tagalog Noun Formation" by Frank R. Blake explained that:

penúltima producta grave (Tag. malúmay 'soft' or banáyad 'easy'), e.g. bása, lákad;

penúltima correpta (Tag. mabilís 'rapid' or masiglá 'active'), e.g. dalá, bigáy;

penúltima producta pausal (Tag. malúmi [?] or banáyad na impít 'easy compressed'), e.g. lúhà;

penúltima correcta gutural (Tag. maragsâ [?] or biglâ 'sudden' or mabìlís na impít 'rapid compressed'), e.g. samâ.

I'm not sure which specific tree it could be tho, maybe the pili tree (Canarium ovatum).

@Mlgc1998: Going back to this, the "biko" theory, that's just from you, right? That's not theorized by anyone else? Because if yes, it seems a stretch when the word "bikol" or "bikolbikol" already exists in the languages during Spanish contact. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 15:38, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser "biko" theory? u mean where the idea that the word came from "biko"? User:Mayon V put it in the Bicol entry page last May 6, 2020, but I also vaguely remember reading something like that in some wikipedia page about Bicol some years ago too. Mlgc1998 (talk) 05:58, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

@Mlgc1998: Oh I see, sorry, I thought it was you. Ima try to look for a published source. Thanks. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 11:44, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser I wonder if the one who came up with it first was thinking of "Bicolandia", thinking the rootword was just the "Bico" part. Mlgc1998 (talk) 14:30, 23 July 2022 (UTC)