Talk:Blessed Virgin

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@LlywelynII: The point of “the” in the headword is to indicate how it is used. Removing this useful information is not “formatting”. Cf. United States. J3133 (talk) 09:25, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Except it isn't. Isn't this title used principally in direct address?

Anyway, yes, sure, add it back for times someone would be referring to her this way in the third person for some reason. — LlywelynII 09:29, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@LlywelynII: The quotations in the OED use the Blessed Virgin. How would you indicate that the is only used in the third person—with a usage note? J3133 (talk) 09:33, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

I think it's natural in English to drop it in direct address. Note that—until I just changed it to bring it in line with your requests here—Madonna didn't dump the article into the head. It just put a lb tag on the sense. — LlywelynII 09:36, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@LlywelynII: I added that lb tag at Madonna (diff). J3133 (talk) 09:38, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

So... why didn't you just do that here? — LlywelynII 09:42, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@LlywelynII: Because Madonna is only sometimes used with the (in the third person), unlike Blessed Virgin. Putting “sometimes” in the headword is not an option. J3133 (talk) 09:49, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

... but Blessed Virgin is only sometimes used with "the" (in the third person) in exactly the same manner and "(the)" precisely means "sometimes" in the headword.

Anyway, it's fixed now, right? I'll keep adding it to similar entries like Mother of God and you just try to be more consistent yourself. Great. — LlywelynII 10:23, 7 May 2023 (UTC)