Talk:Eswatini
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Hot words must be overwhelmingly citable. They are only exempt from the "spanning at least a year" rule. --WikiTiki89 14:59, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
- I don't know if it should be marked as a hot word. I think this word should be kept, simply because it's now the official and the most current name of a country. If there are no CFI for this, there should be one. Besides, it's not a new word but it's new as a current name of the country. It also seems citable. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 15:08, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
- If it's citeable, then cite it. --WikiTiki89 15:29, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
- Citable in the older sense, not in the new one, of course. [1], [2], [3], [4]. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 15:44, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
- The second and fourth of those are mentions. It's not clear to me what it means in the third. --WikiTiki89 18:52, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
- Citable in the older sense, not in the new one, of course. [1], [2], [3], [4]. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 15:44, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Atitarev Where did you get the pronunciation? DTLHS (talk) 18:47, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
- @DTLHS: From Wikipedia and it seems to be accurate, although there will be many variants eventually. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 01:29, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
- If we include this we have sufficient cites for Eswatini, but not for the current casing. I DID find one cite for the current casing, which is an actual use rather than a mention (although most of what I found were mentions about the change of the official name). Kiwima (talk) 22:18, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
- OK, this is now cited, and the cites span three years, so it is not even just a hotword. Kiwima (talk) 22:34, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
- If we include this we have sufficient cites for Eswatini, but not for the current casing. I DID find one cite for the current casing, which is an actual use rather than a mention (although most of what I found were mentions about the change of the official name). Kiwima (talk) 22:18, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
- @DTLHS: From Wikipedia and it seems to be accurate, although there will be many variants eventually. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 01:29, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
- If it's citeable, then cite it. --WikiTiki89 15:29, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
RFV-passed Kiwima (talk) 23:55, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
Pronunciation[edit]
A few seconds in to this broadcast of the Egypt 4-1 Eswatini AFCON Qualifiers, the announcer pronounces it twice in short succession, with the vowels our entry currently gives, although I'm not sure where a careful transcription would say the first consonant cluster was being broken up (/ɛ.sw-/ or /ɛs.w-/), or which of the first two syllables was stressed; likewise in this Geography Now video. This announcer at the United Nations not only seems to clearly put the sibilant and the semivowel in different syllables, she seems to even voice the sibilant, twice in the first 50 seconds, producing /ɛz.wɑ.ti.ni/, but that seems to be the result of an accent. Chris Baraniuk, The Cost of Changing a Country's Name (for the BBC, 22 June 2018), gives the pronunciation as "eh-swa-TEE-nee". - -sche (discuss) 16:56, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
- We had a relevant discussion about this at Wiktionary:Tea room/2018/April#eSwatini. There's naturally going to be variation due to ignorance, and it's not clear to what degree we should document that. To the extent there is a standard pronunciation, it's going to be what the king says. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 17:26, 15 October 2018 (UTC)