Appendix talk:Latin Swadesh list

Long vowels

I think we should show where long vowels were (macrons in the lowercase words and apices/i-longa in the capitals as in antiquity inscriptions) since it's useful in order to familiarise with words especially in an introductory list of vocabulary like this. So I'm redoing my editions as soon as I figure out how. AldoEZ (talk)

IPA: Do not agree with accent marks according to your own method in the first two columns. For pronunciation we use the IPA column. I added it. You can fill it as you think is correct. Follow the rules: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA HansRompel (talk) 07:42, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@HansRompel: Wiktionary very often uses macrons in entries. Why make an exception here? — Eru·tuon 08:02, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@AldoEZ: We want to keep the Swadesh lists clean and similar to each other. You don't see accents in other Swadesh lists. Look at https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:French_Swadesh_list . No accent marks there. HansRompel (talk) 08:27, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@HansRompel: Sounds we're not using the same terminology. It's length (ː) which I indicated with macrons (¯) in the lowercase column and apices/acutes (´) in the small capitals column (with a capital I for I longa since it's easier to input); these I put according to the Wiktionary entry. I did not mark stress (ˈ). I can see, say, the diacritics characteristic of French (^ ` ...) in the list you linked, and what it's not indicated is stress, so that's what I think you mean by accent. Maybe we could give up macrons since the words are linked to the dictionary, and provide IPA pronunciation in the new column, but i think we should retain long vowel marking in the capitals column since it resembles the characteristic writing of the language (say, here:

AldoEZ (talk) 12:40, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@HansRompel: Were you replying to me? See Appendix:Old English Swadesh list for a comparable situation where vowel length is marked even though it's often unmarked in modern books. Appendix:Ancient Greek Swadesh list doesn't have macrons but could, because macrons are often used in Ancient Greek entries. — Eru·tuon 18:11, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@AldoEZ: : @Erutuon: Well, That was a quick fill, mister AldoEZ. And for me it's perfect like this. The writing on the picture of Nimes is an exception. And in the IPA the accent is indicated with a ' before the syllable. The syllables separated by a "." . To me it seems that everybody can be happy with this solution, so we can leave the other columns clean. I support your choice for the classical pronunciation. My latin teacher at high school, father Hooft Van Huisduinen learned us to pronounce every "c" as a "k". So caesar as "kaysar" and Cicero as "Kikero". And for him the church latin (ecclesiastic) pronunciation wasn't to be taken serious. Qui es in caelis, as the pope says, pronounced as "tsjelis", father Hooft Van Huisduinen shivered from horror. HansRompel (talk) 07:52, 24 July 2020 (UTC)