Category talk:English borrowed words

Rationale

See discussion at User talk:Connel MacKenzie#Category:English borrowed words ? (e.g., this revision) for discussion on rationale for this category.

—Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 20:11, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

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Category:English borrowed words

I'd favor Category:English loanwords and Category:Loanwords by language. This was the solution suggested (but not yet implemented) for Category:Hungarian foreign words. Mglovesfun (talk) 08:40, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

I've created {{loanword}} which automatically categorizes in Category:English loanwords. This should allow all these category names to be standardized. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

"Borrowed words" is as understandable, and if it's correct I see no reason to change it.​—msh210℠ (talk) 15:26, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't find either (deprecated template usage) loanword (virtually the same as MWOnline's def) or borrowed word well-defined for our purposes. What does it mean to "retain the foreign spelling", as it says in Category:English borrowed words?

Is consensus one or just consensi but not consensuses. What about transliterations from, say, Cyrillic? How would it work for a word that exists in both Latin and Cyrillic script in, say, Serbo-Croatian. w:Loanword is helpful, but not precise enough.

Is a derivation from Dutch or French a loanword, but not one from Middle Dutch or Middle French (or Anglo-Norman)? DCDuring TALK 16:42, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Hard to say. I think clearly aperçu is a loanword from French, but fuel isn't a loanword from Old French as it's (immediately) from Middle English. Having re-read that, I don't think that definitions stands up all that well. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:19, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah yes, the spelling of aperçu remains the same, even though it's very un-English. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:21, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

No consensus --Daniel. 20:07, 18 May 2011 (UTC)