Talk:абаджия

Etymology update

@Chernorizets Hi, regarding my edit just now that changed the derivation a little bit: sorry about that edit summary, I imagine it may sound a little blunt. I thought I was the one who wrote the etymology, so there'd be nothing controversial about changing it, but, anyway, here's my rationale: BER says in its Произв.: line, абаджѝя (от тур. abacı). I assume it's etymologically accurate, although phonetically a bit odd, that the -cı suffix developed into -джи́я in Bulgarian, so this single Turkish word is the actual derivation. Under the page ـجی, -джия is listed as a descendant, so I believe this checks out. Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 13:40, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

@Kiril kovachev haha no worries, there was nothing blunt about your comment. I was looking for abacı but didn't see it for some reason. The suffix was pronounced "джъ" and later "джи", which explains the Bulgarian suffix. Chernorizets (talk) 16:18, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

@Chernorizets Ah, okay, I suspected that was the development, but I wasn't sure how it then because -джия.

My fear with this change was that, since I don't know how the evolution went over time, I can't tell whether "-джия" is a Bulgarian-only suffix, which was derived from an extension of the Turkish "-cı", and became its own productive element, but not affecting previous borrowings from native Turkish -cı.

If that were the case, then it'd be possible for this here абаджия to be derived from the Bulgarian elements like you originally put, without appealing to Turkish at all; and a borrowing from abacı would not look like абаджия in that scenario, since the Turkish -cı form would not be subject to the same development.

I guess this is much too overcomplicated of thinking, but I hope you understand why I pinged you for it, lol. Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 18:39, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

@Kiril kovachev for a "nativized" example, consider компютърджия - it's colloquial, but importantly not a loan from Turkish. Also катаджия, from КАТ. If the word is older, chances are it was borrowed; newer words less so. Chernorizets (talk) 17:46, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

@Chernorizets Yeah, that makes sense. The only doubt I had was whether абаджия is like that too. But since BER cites Turkish, I suppose that's evidence enough. Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 17:56, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

@Kiril kovachev for sure. Hi from Sofia btw 🙂 Chernorizets (talk) 19:57, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

@Chernorizets Oho hello :) how is it over there? Hot I hear? Hope you're having a good time! Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 20:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)