Talk:орясина

Etymology

@Fay Freak‎ Do you know where this one may come from? Perhaps it's derived from Uriah? Shumkichi (talk) 19:11, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

@Shumkichi: On first glance I identify it with Serbo-Croatian orìjāš, Slovene orjaš, words which I have covered, but I can’t find it in Ukrainian so it is difficult to claim it a borrowing from Hungarian alike (which would probably be through Russian) and then the Hungarian—upon which to stumble I guess you have been smart enough yourself—is even claimed to be possibly from Russian.

It appears that in the sense of a big stick and even the sense of a hench man the form ря́сина (rjásina) has been of wider use (e.g. Мызников: Русский диалектный этимологический словарь p. 704), while Anikin recently s.v. variant аля́сина wants to see a regional Proto-Slavic *obręsina, an entry found by himself in Trubachyov, Oleg, editor (2002), “*obręsina”, in Этимологический словарь славянских языков [Etymological dictionary of Slavic languages] (in Russian), numbers 29 (*obpovědati – *obsojьnica), Moscow: Nauka, →ISBN, page 90, where they find the etymology dark, but their last sentence with a native etymology is soundest, which, requiring to drop the assumption of the prefixed o- +‎ being original, suggests derivation from the variant ря́снуть (rjásnutʹ), attested in the dialects, of хря́снуть (xrjásnutʹ), хря́стнуть (xrjástnutʹ), impf. хрястѣ́ть (xrjastě́tʹ), хряста́ть (xrjastátʹ), which is covered in Trubachyov, Oleg, editor (1981), “*xręstnǫti”, in Этимологический словарь славянских языков [Etymological dictionary of Slavic languages] (in Russian), numbers 8 (*xa – *jьvьlga), Moscow: Nauka, page 94 with cognates interesting for our further Slavic coverage.

So I assume yes, the Hungarian is a Russian borrowing, as the term has a native Russian derivation—in the fashion that оря́сина (orjásina) does not reach back to Proto-Slavic but has a preformative o- +‎ ря́сина (rjásina) suffixed from ря́снуть (rjásnutʹ) +‎ -ина (-ina). Fay Freak (talk) 21:07, 20 January 2023 (UTC)