Talk:遊戯

Simplifed Japanese? What does that mean? Is this just the simplified Chinese character or are there actually two ways to write it in Japanese? Granted the 2nd character looks pretty complex for what in English is such a common word. — 138.130.33.197 02:47, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Traditional: 戲, simplified in China: 戏, simplified in Japan: 戯

Thanks. So are are both #1 and #3 used in Japan? — Hippietrail 10:00, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

There appears to be several kinds of variation. "Traditional" would be the base form, and probably what is used in Taiwan—Chinese has its full set of "simplified" characters, but the other languages that use the Hanchars have also developed their own native "simplifications". 戯 (#3) is the ordinary Japanese "spelling" of the hanchar, and 戲 (#1) does not appear to be used (though it is listed in KANJIDIC).

It does seem a little misleading to list 游戏 under a heading like "Simplified", as this is a Japanese word, and what it actually is is the word "spelled" in Chinese (yóuxì). [I could see it belonging on the Chinese entry 游戲 though.] —Muke Tever 12:22, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Hmm. I'm aware that Japan uses simplified versions of some characters and that that includes some which are also used in "simplified chinese" as well as some which are not used in any kind of chinese. What is essential for a dictionary is to show which combinations of which characters are used in which standard languages. If people understand odd combinations of "china" and "japan" characters isn't the same thing as whether they actually use them. What I want to know is whether the heading here is used in Japan and whether the "synonym" given later is actually used in Japan or whether that's the same word as used in China. Or any other combination - I'm a bit confused now. I can check Japanese here: [1], Traditional Chinese here: [2], but I'm not sure where to check Simplified Chinese. — Hippietrail 13:09, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Oops, I see I was ambiguous. The heading 遊戯 (yuugi) is a Japanese word, and not any kind of Chinese. The Chinese word (youxi) is 游戲 in traditional "spelling" and 游戏 in simplified; neither is Japanese. (Cf. The interwikis from w:Game.) —Muke Tever 18:27, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

The proper traditional Chinese writing is 遊戲, but 游戲 is a mixture of traditional and simplified Chinese. Writing such a mixture is widely considered very informal and discouraged.--Jusjih 13:34, 29 May 2006 (UTC)