Talk:aber-de-vine

RFV discussion: December 2022–February 2023

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aber-de-vine

I was only able to find this in old dictionaries and word lists that hyphenate every word at syllable boundaries (example 1, example 2). Of course, I could have missed something. Somehow the existence of this hyphenated form even made its way into the etymology of aberdevine. 98.170.164.88 07:23, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Hmm, I saw in the history that this was attributed to Webster 1913. I still haven't been able to find a scan of that particular edition, but in Webster 1898 there seems to be more spacing around the hyphens in the headword than for most words, so the hyphenation could have been intended. Still, is this attested in use? 98.170.164.88 07:31, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

There are many hits for abadavine, which I've just created, but I can't find aber-de-vine. --Overlordnat1 (talk) 10:39, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

I do see many more hits for abadavine than for this form, but most seem to be mentions. Did you find three that were genuine uses?

I must admit that I didn't think to do that but then in my defence I would add that none of the 5 forms of aberdevine (including the main entry) have any supporting quotations at all at the moment, still less three of them. --Overlordnat1 (talk) 11:41, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

As for aber-de-vine, note that the entry is just over 20 years old and has a three-digit page ID (351). If this fails RfV, this may overtake Talk:moonshiner U for the title of longest-standing unattested entry. 98.170.164.88 10:47, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

An online edition of Webster's 1913 has the headword Alabaster unhypenated,^[1] but spells this term as Aber-de-vine.^[2]  --Lambiam 11:29, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

The 1911 Century Dictionary only has unhyphenated aberdevine, with a discussion of its etymology by Alfred Newton tentatively ascribing it to the fancy of “a single bird-dealer, who coined it to give fictitious value to a common bird for which he wanted to have a good price”.^[3]  --Lambiam 11:51, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

RFV Failed, OED doesn't have any hyphenated examples either. Ioaxxere (talk) 19:43, 24 February 2023 (UTC)