Talk:assia

Translation, spelling and pronunciation

@Thadh, I believe there are a couple of issues with this entry. Firstly, I haven't really seen anywhere (including the referenced sources) the given meanings ("value, worth") for this word. Rather it has a broad abstract meaning very close to Finnish asia (1). Secondly, I believe the spelling should be asia, as s is "prolonged", for which IIRC we agreed to use one letter (cf orava). Thirdly, for Ala-Laukka the mainstream pronunciation seems to be /asʲːe/ (see Nirvi, Nar and Ro examples). Apparently this varies within a dialect and there are examples of both "general" pronunciation ways (see Kuznetsova's "Phonological systems..." cf 4.13 for Soikkola and 4.24 for A-L), but it's worth noting that in Ala-Laukka asia gained a -ta partitive form (see also Nrivi L-Suu example), which indicates it isn't, probably, just a phonetic effect anymore. KirillW (talk) 20:05, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

@KirillW: as for the pronunciation, I'll doublecheck Nirvi and Kuznetsova in a moment, but in regards to spelling, Junus seems to consistently use assia with two 's'es:

"Kirjakeelen laatihummiin ei oo kerkiä assia." - "The creation of the written language is not an easy matter." (Grammatikka, p.4)

"Kala, kirja, assia, aita." (Oppikirja 1, p.23)

My guess is that rather than an orava-type secondary gemination (which is Soikkola-specific), this is a kannaa-type secondary gemination (which exists in all dialects). As to why this gemination occured here within a stem I don't know, but if you say the Ala-Laukaa pronunciation has a geminate /sː/ ([sʲː]) as well, this seems to back it up that the consonant isn't underlyingly short for Ingrian. Thadh (talk) 21:40, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

@Thadh, you're right, Junus consistently uses long s—I've missed this—thanks for pointing this out! KirillW (talk) 16:23, 21 March 2022 (UTC)