Talk:sier

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Is this some sort of spamvertising? SemperBlotto 16:51, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

No, this is a word that is used throughout a few companies that I work with. Phobis 14:00, 4 June 2006 (EST)

Could you provide some citations? Our process of attestation usually involves cites from three independent printed sources. Newly made-up words can be added to our List of protologisms. — Vildricianus 18:12, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Sure... I added some into the article, sier. Let me know if this helps. Also, If anyone wants to help to make the definition more concise, obviously, please do. Phobis 21:29, 4 June 2006 (EST)
  • Unfortunately translations from Japanese don't support the idea that it's an English word. If its use in English is restricted to a few companies it might not be widespread enough for wiktionary. Kappa 02:03, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Could it possible be added to the Japanese wiktionary? How wide spread would it need to be? I have heard many consultants use this term (over a period of 8 years too). Thanks. Phobis 23:00, 4 June 2006 (EST)

Is there some kind of document or webpage that I could have people sign? How is the "wide-spreadedness" determined? Phobis 12:30, 6 June 2006 (EST)

You seem to suggest that it’s a verb in Japanese, but that’s impossible. In any case, I cannot guess from the English spelling what form it might take in Japanese. If it’s used in Japanese, we would have to know how it’s pronounced and written in Japanese. —Stephen 09:40, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I looked at the Japanese source you gave in the article, and all of the Japanese examples wrote it in English ... e.g., "この言葉「SIer」がわかりません". So it is not a Japanese word at all, but a completely foreign term that has no Japanese equivalent. —Stephen 09:58, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I think the use spoken of may be connected with the "Software Engineering Information Repository" at Carnegie Mellon University's Software Engineering Institute, see [[1]] or [[2]]. Could the term have now entered the English used by software specialists as a verb? Not my field. Seir is also claimed as a trademark for a fingerprint scanning system [[3]], and is an acronym for an impressive number of different phrases. --Enginear 10:58, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
While "wide-spreadedness" is poorly defined, our method for determining it is much less ambiguous. What we'd like you to do is dig up at least three citations (preferably from printed books) that show this word being used, in the way you suggest, spanning over a year. It is a far from perfect method, but it is working better than some of the other compromises we have tried here. --Connel MacKenzie T C 00:00, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I am going to the library this week. Wish me luck. :) Phobis 11:23, 9 June 2006 (EST)

OK... I did not take a trip to the library yet, but I did find this: the SIER Model. Here is a site with a ISBN on it: http://lists.webvalence.com/sites/ListeningLeader/Broadcast.D20041013.html I am going to continue to research (Looks like it is an acronym "SENSING INTERPRETING EVALUATING RESPONDING" Phobis 00:45 , 10 June 2006 (EST)

Another few sites:

http://www.usm.maine.edu/com/intradoc.htm

http://www.chemeng.mcmaster.ca/MPS/obj-total.PDF

http://www.washwriter.org/nb_bs_landscape.html

http://convention.allacademic.com/nca2004/view_paper_info.html?pub_id=658&part_id1=27316&discussion_panel=f

Phobis 1:00 , 10 June 2006 (EST)


Here are some references.

  • ISBN: 0618082506
  • ISBN: 8200182975
  • OCLC: 1756049
  • ISBN: 0486269558
  • ISBN: 1581128770

Phobis 11:00, 6 July 2006 (EST)

rfvpassed. Andrew massyn 20:20, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


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Kept. See archived discussion of July 2008. 06:01, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

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Rfv-sense: all senses, actually. The rfc tag says it passed rfv, but looking back at the archived discussion, none of the citations support it. This was a very premature rfvpassed. H. (talk) 15:42, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for returning it for proper consideration. SIer (systems integrator) might warrant a sense. See SI. I see no support in bgc for "siering" or "siered", so that the verb seems unlikely. I'd be surprised if this could meet RfV in English in this capitalisation. DCDuring TALK 16:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
SIer for one who self-injures (or self-inflicts) — i.e. a cutter — is common in certain cheerful Internet communities. I see we don't even have that under SI at the moment. And neither of those verbs! Blimey. Equinox 16:58, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
I say: move over the used senses to proper capitalization, and blank out the English section. Objections? H. (talk) 10:00, 16 January 2009 (UTC)