Template talk:ast-decl-adj

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Documentation[edit]

This template is designed for use with all Asturian adjectives that have singular and plural forms.

Usage[edit]

This template should be placed in all Asturian adjective sections, immediately following the ====Inflection==== or ====Declension==== section header. It creates a declension table for the entry.

Only use this template for the lemma (masculine singular) form.

As with other Wiktionary inflection templates, please do not use subst:.

Parameters[edit]

The template requires one unnamed parameter:

  • {{{1}}} : the root without inflection ending, e.g. asturian (for asturianu), bax (for baxu)

The template accepts the following five named parameters. All named parameters are optional.

  • {{{m}}} : the masculine singular form
  • {{{f}}} : the feminine singular form
  • {{{n}}} : the neuter singular form
  • {{{mpl}}} : the masculine plural form (identical to the neuter plural)
  • {{{fpl}}} : the feminine plural form

Examples[edit]

For the regular adjective altu (tall): {{ast-decl-adj | alt}}

gend/num singular plural
masculine altu altos
feminine alta altes
neuter alto -

For the slightly irregular adjective colloráu (red): {{ast-decl-adj | collora | m=colloráu | f=collorada}}

gend/num singular plural
masculine colloráu colloraos
feminine collorada colloraes
neuter collorao -

Discussion[edit]

It must change the table and eliminate the neuter plural section:

There are only two grammatical genders in Asturian, masculine and feminine nouns (el vinu -masc-, la sidra -fem-). The neuter form of Asturian appears only in adjectivs (and pronouns), because it is a special sintactic mark to differentiate between countable and uncountable nouns. Countable nouns need masc/fem concord (depending on their original gender), but uncountable nouns need neuter concord (regardless of their original gender). Consequently, uncountable nouns have only singular form and, therefore the neuter forms for adjectivs (and pronouns) only have singular form (p.ex. masc. asturianu, fem. asturiana, neut. asturiano; pl. masc. asturianos, fem. asturianes (general endings -u, -a, -o; -os, -es). There is no coincidence between masculine plural and neuter plural, because neuter plurals are imposible:

"vinu blanco": white wine (uncountable, it refers to the drink in general)
"vinu blancu": white wine (countable, it refers to a cup/bottle/... of white wine → it has plural: trés vinos blancos (three [cups of] white wine)
"sidra fresco": cold cider (uncountable, it refers to the drink in general)
"sidra fresca": cold cider (countable, it refers to a cup/bottle/... of cold cider → it has plural: trés sidres fresques (three [bottles of] fresh cider)

There is no possibility to neuter plurals: *"vinos blancos" (as uncountable), *"sidres frescos". Can anybody change the template? I don't know how to make this to leave the section empty.--Etienfr 16:17, 20 September 2011 (UTC)