Template talk:de-conj-strong
- 1= present stem
- 2= past stem
- 3= past part
- 5=auxiliary
- 6= e? weird present 2nd/3rd singular stuff???
- 7= t/st? weird konj ii stuff??
- 8= weird present 2nd/3rd singular stuff?
- 9= weird konj ii stuff?
- 10= ?????
- 10= sep prefix?
Kassad, your template sucks, sry. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 20:26, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
- I know.
1 is indeed the present stem, 2 the past stem and 3 is the past participle. 4 marks the auxiliary verb like normal.
5 should again be set to e for verbs whose stem ends in d/t (though I have a feeling it doesn't work correctly at the moment, we currently have no strong verb with a stem ending in d/t which uses this template so we'll probably find out soon).
6 is for certain verbs where the 2nd and 3rd person singular forms use a different stem (for an example, see lesen).
7 is for conjunctive II. In many cases it uses the past stem, but sometimes it uses a different stem for its inflections (for example helfen).
8 is in some aspects a mistake. Sometimes the -te is appended to the past stem, sometimes it isn't. If it isn't appended, it's indicated here with an a (the mistake being that verbs which don't append -te constitute the majority...)
9 is for the imperative. In some cases the second singular imperative form (ending in -e) isn't actually valid, in which case setting this to a will disable it (see for example bergen).
10 is, as you guessed correctly, the separable part of a verb.
11 is for the imperative again and overrides parameter 6. Parameter 6 causes the imperative to use the same stem as the 2nd/3rd person singular. Sometimes this is unwanted, in which case setting this parameter to a will make it use the "normal" present stem (see, for example, fahren).
12 is for those verbs whose stem ends in s, z, or ß.
That should be all. Reply back if there are still questions. -- Prince Kassad 16:52, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
- That shit makes no sense, ich hass dich >:O — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 18:21, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Second person singular preterite forms for verbs ending in s/ß/z/x[edit]
This was initially brought up on talk: schließen but appears to apply more broadly. Basically the issue is this: this template, along with several other websites, lists the second person singular preterite form of schließen as schlosst, i.e. the past stem + t, while others (including my (1989) edition of the Collins Gem German Verb Tables) give it as schlossest, i.e. the past stem + est.
Having dug a little deeper, it would seem this extends beyond just schließen to include all strong verbs whose stem ends in an s, ß, x or z, or at least all of them that I have checked. Some sites seem to use -est versions while others use -t versions. Is this maybe a rule change following a spelling reform or is there something else behind it?
The original poster also claims that the second person plural preterite of schließen should be schlosset rather than schlosst but I haven't found anything to back this up claim.