User talk:KYPark/etymology

Etymologies and stuff

Dear Kypark,

I still stumble upon from time to time to the remnants of the Uralo-Altaic theory you've fervently left traces of in numerous entries, e.g. the other day on kori. It's no problem at all to see it - and terminate it on sight. You were told that we don't want fringe theories in Wiktionary etymologies, and you finally stopped adding them, after more than a year-long tradition of doing so, intelligently camouflaged under numerous "positive" edits. Good!. That shows good faith and the ability to reason the circumstances. I have no doubt that you firmly believe that all of those word you list on your userpage are somehow deeply related (cognate, akin, or whatever you'd like to call it), but the general etymological science does not, and we must respect that.

However, you still seem happen to regularly run into some kind of trouble. I won't get into the details of undulare (for which to me appears there is some evidence in Medieval Latin documents, at least from which I skimmed on books.google.com) - it doesn't matter at all now: what it matters is that you learn a lesson from the way the general community has been responding to the some of your "problematic" entries.

My advice is this:

• If your edit is reverted by some of the regulars don't even think of adding it back. Instead, open the discussion on the talkpage and list it in our Etymology Scriptorium so that others can see it and provide additional input. If you discuss on on the bunch of talkpages it becomes very difficult to follow the line of argumentation, and rarely will anyone have the patience to look more closely into it all.
• If your etymology cannot be verified in any paper dictionary, and is purely a result of your intellectual cogitation, don't even think of adding it on the mainspace entries. List it on your userpage or a some other user subpage of your choice. We have WT:LOP to channel all the protologisms users happen to add, we can create some Appendix:List of Korean pseudoetymologies or something (unless you'd be offended by the title :) The only real usefulness I see in your etymologies (and that some of the other users also noticed), and which all seem to be based on some vague phonetic resemblance, is as mnemonic for language learning. We can create an appendix for those if you wish.
• Please, no more drama! You're aggravating people more and more with your tiresome self-victimizing monologues. I know that you are firmly convinced that an injustice has be done, and that your arguments were valid, but you're doing no good by resurrecting the old spirits of frustration on topics that have been dealt with long time ago. Simply, go and find some other word to deal with. There are countless other ways that you can contribute. For once, you need to demonstrate the ability that you can easily cope with being "wrong", that it is not the end of the world if your etymological proposal is not accepted, and that it doesn't matter all that much to you.

You also must realize that others don't have infinite amount of time and patience at their disposal to deal with the highly-disputed stuff you could be ardently pushing, and that sooner or later, if you'd continue to draw ("waste") too much community time with no real benefit resulting from the ongoing discussion, you could easily be blocked for simply be a disruptive community factor.

I'd to ask you to stop editing ===Etymology=== at all but I somehow doubt you'll listen ;) But rest assured that you could easily be forbidden to edit ===Etymology=== at all, as that would (at lest IMHO) be a very good way to find out the real nature of your presence on this project.

Cheers! --Ivan Štambuk 12:10, 25 July 2009 (UTC)