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I have replied on my talk page. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 22:13, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning up WT:REE[edit]

God knows it needs it! Equinox 00:43, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

@Equinox: No problem at all! Glad to help, as I agree. WikiWinters (talk) 01:24, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Requested entries[edit]

You are being a little too aggressive IMO in removing items from WT:REE. We tend to be very inclusive there because it is a source or new ideas. We usually do some quick research before deletion. And we keep things on requested entries for a long time because it often takes a while to find someone sympathetic to the suggestion. OTOH, it needs some cleanup from time to time. Generally, User:Equinox does/did a pretty good job of fulfilling and deleting requests — not that he has an exclusive right to either of those tasks. Happy editing. DCDuring TALK 14:24, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

@DCDuring: I agree, and thanks. WikiWinters (talk) 14:43, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
I undid a few of your most recent removals, mostly to illustrate areas of difference of opinion in this regard. By the way, streetcam will probably turn out to be attestable, which would permit street cam by the principle in WT:COALMINE. The vote on "coalmine" was intended to find some principle to reduce the volume of RfD debate over marginally includable terms. It probably leads to including some entries that no other dictionary or glossary would include. DCDuring TALK 15:08, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
@DCDuring: Yes, I saw. Thank you. However, I have a question regarding copyrighted dictionary content. Is it acceptable to simply copy and paste the definition of a word from, for example, Merriam-Webster and include it? WikiWinters (talk) 15:32, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
Not really, as tempting as it may be. You should look around at some other dictionaries for some alternative wordings and then come up with your own, if at all possible. If multiple dictionaries use the same wording, then I think you can do the same. To look at multiple dictionaries I use the template {{R:OneLook|taxon}} which yields taxon at OneLook Dictionary Search. I also have some other dictionaries as browser tabs. It can be in a References or External links section of any English language entry. Leaving it in the entry allows users to look at other dictionaries conveniently and helps make up for any gaps we have (which are many). Webster 1913 and Century 1911 (usually available via Wordnik on OneLook) are comprehensive dictionaries that are out of copyright, but often dated in wording and missing modern words or senses. Wikipedia articles sometimes have definitions, which can be pared down to dictionary-type definitions. DCDuring TALK 17:46, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
@DCDuring: Alright, great, thanks for all your help! Happy editing to you, too. WikiWinters (talk) 18:02, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Genders in translations[edit]

When adding nouns in languages that have genders, can you please provide the genders too? —CodeCat 01:09, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

@CodeCat: Yes, sorry, I was just doing quick machine translations. WikiWinters (talk) 01:21, 14 October 2014 (UTC)


Thank you for your work here. Please remember that pinyin syllables do not have a space in them unless they denote compounds within a word. In other words, all Chinese 词 do not have a space between the pinyin syllables, e.g. Zhōngguó not Zhōng guó. Thanks. ---> Tooironic (talk) 06:20, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

@Tooironic: Yes, I understand. I've tried to incorporate that rule into my edits. However, I was always under the impression that 词 can be part of a compound under specific circumstances. Also, one rule that is definitely more debatable, is it required to capitalize proper nouns in pinyin (e.g. Zhōngguó instead of zhōngguó)? Thank you. WikiWinters (talk) 10:02, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Proper nouns are capitalised in pinyin - geographical, people's or company names but not languages, ethnicities, let alone weekday or month names. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 10:40, 16 October 2014 (UTC)


Did you mean to create this as modern English? It doesn't look like it. Also, contemporary modern English, or 15th century or something? Renard Migrant (talk) 12:15, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I was simply relying on the listing for the word in the requested entries list. Do you have any idea? WikiWinters (talk) 13:12, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
So it's just pure guesswork? Then yes I have an idea, which is speedy deletion. Renard Migrant (talk) 13:13, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
@Renard Migrant: The information provided on the requested entries page was that it was a modern English term and an Anglo-Saxon derivation. It is not pure guesswork. I was simply asking if you had any idea, as in any more information. It is in John R. Clark Hall's A Concise Anglo-Saxon Dictionary, so I'm not sure how that warrants speedy deletion. Do as you may. WikiWinters (talk) 13:26, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Anglo-Saxon's another term for Old English, not modern English. Speedy deletion does not mean the page title is an invalid one, just that the content is unacceptable. By your own admission you've created this in blind faith without doing any research so you've done an excellent job of convincing me the content isn't valid. Renard Migrant (talk) 15:38, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
@Renard Migrant: But it is English, is it not? WikiWinters (talk) 18:54, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Rearranging WT:REE[edit]

Please comment on Wiktionary:Beer_parlour/2014/November#Reordering_the_years_on_Requested_entries_pages. You use the page more than most. DCDuring TALK 00:06, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

WT:REE - Đông Sơn culture[edit]

The presence of a WP article does not prove that it's English. Many foreign city names, etc. have WP articles. WT:REE is for English requests, not Vietnamese ones. Equinox 23:40, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

@Equinox: My mistake. Where would I post it, assuming it meets the criteria for an entry? (Although, I know that it probably doesn't.) WikiWinters (talk) 23:50, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

計息 and 计息[edit]


Please be more attentive to trad./simp. differences. Your 计息 failed to show the correct traditional form. Pls note that we are in the process of centralising the content under traditional characters. So, 计息 is now converted to a soft-redirect.

Re: your last edit on 計息: 6个月 are three words - a number, a classifier and a noun. In Japanese and Korean, ヶ月/개월 are counters for months. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 02:02, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Moved from User_talk:Atitarev

I noticed you just reverted my revision for 計息, but isn't "6個月" a compound? WikiWinters (talk) 01:59, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

I've just replied on User_talk:WikiWinters#.E8.A8.88.E6.81.AF_and_.E8.AE.A1.E6.81.AF (before you posted your question). No, they are not compounds, 六月 (June) is. In Japanese "6ヶ月" would be two words: 6 + ヶ月. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 02:05, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
@Atitarev: Just FYI (I understand your point, but just for reference), this is how this particular web dictionary has it: "Xuéshēng dàikuǎn cóng xuésheng líkāi xuéxiào liùgèyuè hòu kāishǐ jìxī hé chánghuán" ( WikiWinters (talk) 02:15, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
That's fine. The pinyin in Nciku is not always perfect and maybe they think it's easier to read that way. Since we link individual words and we are not going to have entries for 6個月/6个月 or 六個月/六个月, then it's important to make a space. Although ja/ko ヶ月/개월 (counters for months) terms are derived from Chinese 個月/个月, 個/个 are the classifiers for months and you need to add 月. Korean and Japanese would still consider the preceding number a separate word. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 02:22, 12 December 2014 (UTC)