Talk:согласный

@Erutuon: I wouldn't be surprised if the word was coined as a calque of σύμφωνος (súmphōnos) (which has the colloquial senses as well) in the first place, even if the grammatical sense was added later. Hope you don't mind me following you haha --Barytonesis (talk) 19:45, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@Barytonesis: I don't mind at all, because you've improved quite a few of my edits that were lacking something or other. As for whether the word was newly coined in a sense, it's possible, but it's simpler to use the criterion of whether the word (as in the literal sequence of characters) was probably used before it gained the new meaning from the loaning language. (Of course, I don't have actual evidence for that, as in dated quotations for each sense, but am just guessing.) — Eru·tuon 19:59, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@Barytonesis, Erutuon Are your Russian calque etymologies based on guesses alone?--Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 22:27, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@Atitarev: Yes, in the sense that I am not getting them from a source. I am basing them on the fact that their morphology corresponds to the morphology of words in older or other languages that are likely to be the sources of loanwords (and that are not likely to receive loanwords from Russian, Old East Slavic, or Church Slavonic). I suppose I should tag the etymologies that I have added somehow, so that they can be discussed, or put the etymologies in the {{rfe}} template, or mark them in some way to indicate that they are in question or need a source for verification. It is possible that some of these words that I have categorized as a calque into Russian were actually calqued into Old East Slavic or another Slavic language, and then inherited by or borrowed into Russian. — Eru·tuon 22:38, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

I suppose another possibility for some words with similar morphology is that they were created without reference to a word in another language, especially when the formation pattern is very straightforward. For instance, глаго́льный (glagólʹnyj) is equivalent to Ancient Greek ῥημᾰτῐκός (rhēmatikós) or Modern Greek ρηματικός (rimatikós), but it's such a simple formation that it need not be a calque. — Eru·tuon 22:49, 10 July 2017 (UTC)