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электричество[edit]

Is this also used to mean "electric light"? A sentence I found in a dictionary translates "выключить электричество" into Veps as "to turn off the light". —CodeCat 18:37, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it does, added. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 23:29, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

shrimp&oldid=32477369[edit]

The page says that "Lua error in Module:languages/templates at line 28: The language code 'zh-ma' is not valid". —umbreon126 04:55, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Well, there is no such language code. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 04:57, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Yeah[edit]

I'm not comfortable with Russian slang words. It's just that I'm practicing reading something back and forth on the internet as well as reading the news in Russian online. I want to be exposed to a variety of styles of usage. --KoreanQuoter (talk) 12:01, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

That's OK, Russian slang must not be easy but please don't rush into adding terms you're not 100% sure of. It's OK to try example questions in a class environment, make mistakes and get corrected but editors are expected to add contents mostly error-free. I'm not trying to be hard, it's just the way it is. I encouraged you to start making full-fledged Russian entries, please continue that but you need to check the usage more thoroughly. :) --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 12:11, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Maybe I should make Russian slang entries within my own user page. I'm trying my best not to offend other users, but somehow I'm making a great progress at making awkward situations. :/ Yikes. --KoreanQuoter (talk) 12:34, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
No, you haven't offended me or anyone else. Maybe I was too harsh. Well, I promised to check your edits and I will but you'll make it easier for me if you use dictionaries, it's harder to do it for slang words, let alone profanities. Unfortunately, things that are obvious to native speakers are not so obvious to learners, e.g. there's a big difference between "нажраться" and "нажрать" and "назариться" (not too common, by the way) was definitely incorrect. Don't get me wrong, I am glad someone still wants to learn Russian when the image of Russia and Russians is dropping sharply around the world (it's unfortunate but the reasons are understandable). --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 12:49, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
BTW, it wasn't a slip of a tongue or pen @RFD page and people are frown upon someone else "correcting" their edits in discussions or talk pages. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 12:52, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Now this is something that I have to apologize for. --KoreanQuoter (talk) 12:54, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
정말 천만에요! I was just explaining this to you, since you're rather new here. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 12:58, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Well, I don't think I'm new anymore. Especially since I'm a long-time contributor in the Korean Wiktionary. --KoreanQuoter (talk) 13:19, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

I posted more commentaries in Wiktionary:Requested entries (Korean), even though it could be somewhat complicated. This might help you (and also myself) in the long run. --KoreanQuoter (talk) 11:04, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. That's quite a bit of work. I will still add just words that I come across or I feel the need of adding - like basic, important words or something interesting. Sino-Korean and loanwords from European languages or directly from Japanese are often easy to understand as well. I may work with some from that page, though. I added requests there myself as well. E.g. - I couldn't find, which sense is pronounced long (if it is), not sure about the etymology of the "brush" sense, if it's transparent. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 11:27, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Keep adding requests if you need to. I will do my best to explain the difficult words, especially the colloquial ones or historical ones. --KoreanQuoter (talk) 11:31, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
I will and I already have added requests there - 문어, 솔, not sure if they merit entries: 거야/거예요, not sure about 넉 (in what situations it replaces numeral 넷). They all have my signature. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 11:58, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
넉 is a weird word. You may look at the explanation. --KoreanQuoter (talk) 12:10, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

I think there's a wee bit of error at the ru-IPA in отзывать. It has a [zz] error. --KoreanQuoter (talk) 14:35, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

No, it's correct, /t/ is partially assimilated with the following /z/. And you were right in adding |gem=y. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 20:47, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Do we have to put |gem=y in both of the two ru-IPA entries for отзыв? I'm still kinda cautious about it. (If so, I want to fix the two with your permission.) --KoreanQuoter (talk) 02:18, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
There's some logic in the pronunciation module that can somewhat predict geminations, thanks to User:Wyang. You only need to add or gem=y or gem=n when the result is not what is expected. The IPA in "отзыв" is currently correct. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 02:36, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
I see. Thank you very much, Wyang, and thank you very much, Anatoli. --KoreanQuoter (talk) 02:51, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Actually, Special:Contributions/175.211.35.41 is me. There was an error that somehow made me logged off temporarily due to my browser's error. Is there a way to merge this contribution back into my account? --KoreanQuoter (talk) 05:26, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

I don't know how. It happened to me many times. If it's a big concern (exposing your IP address), I can try to hide that revision and regenerate with an account. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 05:28, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Hiding would be much better since there are commercial online bots that track down IPs in South Korea. The problem is that I get a lot of pop up spams on Korean websites if I suddenly show my IP in any websites. I blame my internet provider for this. --KoreanQuoter (talk) 05:32, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Done - I've hidden your IP address from the edit history. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 05:36, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Fun fact: most of the South Korean private internet forums show IP addresses of posters at the bottom part of the posts. So..... it's sort of dangerous posting something in Korean websites in general. --KoreanQuoter (talk) 05:40, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Umm..... Some troll is taking over the Korean Wiktionary. [1]. His username is [2] --KoreanQuoter (talk) 07:34, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Case solved. [3] --KoreanQuoter (talk) 07:36, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

寧可[edit]

Any way to fix the pinyin in the example sentence for 寧可? It's currently the standard Taiwanese pinyin, but the standard Beijing Mandarin form should probably take priority. Typing "{nìngkě}" after the term in the usex template just results in "níngnìngkě". --WikiWinters (talk) 16:45, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

I noticed that you attempted to fix it. However, this unbolds the term. Does it matter? --WikiWinters (talk) 21:39, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Easily fixed as well. I don't always bold them, as they stand out as unlinked, anyway. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 22:22, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Category:R:vep:UVVV with red link[edit]

The template {{R:vep:UVVV}} is for a Russian-to-Veps dictionary, and it links to the Wiktionary entries for each of the Russian words you give to it. But I found that some of the words in that dictionary are not defined in Wiktionary yet (red links). So I let the template categorise entries where this is the case, and created this category. I thought it might be useful for you? —CodeCat 23:23, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, thanks, like any red links, which should be filled eventually. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 23:27, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
@CodeCat: I have filled some nouns but verbs are more time-consuming. You can add requests to Wiktionary:Requested_entries_(Russian) or wanted entries page, of course. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 03:02, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

和谈[edit]

Would you mind cleaning up the Vietnamese reading here when you get the time? ---> Tooironic (talk) 16:09, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Алаза́нь[edit]

Hello Anatoli. Per your request, I have not and shall not add {{rfe|lang=ru}} to this entry. However, can you tell me whether the Russian name for the River Alazani derives from the Georgian name (ალაზანი), the other way around, or neither? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 09:17, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

I am not sure. It sounds Russian. There's more Georgian sounding form in Russian: Алаза́ни (Alazáni). It may be of Georgian origin but Russified, which is common with other loanwords. (BTW, you don't have to link it the way you did in the header, just [[Алазань]] is fine, the stress marks are for users to know where the stress is, they are not used in a running Russian text. Just making sure you understand.)--Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 09:34, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
I see. Thanks for getting back to me. My wondering is prompted by guesses about the etymology of the Latin Alāzōn and Lewis & Short's calling the river Alasan. Unless I'm mistaken, Azerbaijan and Georgia were parts of the Russian Empire back in 1879, so it would be unsurprising for Lewis & Short to have used the river's Russian name; however, that doesn't explain the spelling Alasan vs. Alazan… Anyway, I'll keep digging a bit. (Also, thanks for the explanation; I knew the thing about the Russian stress mark (acute accent?). I include it when mentioning Russian terms just like I include macra when mentioning Latin terms. I hope that's OK.) — I.S.M.E.T.A. 12:26, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Этимология в статьях[edit]

Я бы мог добавлять этимологию интересным мне статьям, но их не отследить, потому что нет этого:

===Etymology===
{{rfe|lang=ru}}

Сейчас в Category:Russian_entries_needing_etymology всего 58 страниц. —Игорь Тълкачь 23:28, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Спасибо, Игорь, я обычно сам добавляю этимологию, если знаю и могу (и хочу это делать). В списке мало статей, потому что никто не добавлял {{rfe|lang=ru}}. Ты можешь сам добавлять этимологию к новым и старым статьям без запроса. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 00:32, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Желательно создавать страницы вместе с этим кодом, потому что в Category:Russian lemmas перечислены слова с и без этимологии, а от запроса на этимологию статья хуже не становится, тем более первой категорией может кто-нибудь ещё воспользоваться. —Игорь Тълкачь 11:13, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

why did you revert my change on impression?[edit]

It should be uncontroversial to add vowels to an Arabic word, and once this is done, the manual translit (which was wrong anyway) isn't needed. Benwing (talk) 09:58, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

@Benwing: I'm sorry, that was an accident - too easy to do on mobile devices where links are too close to each other and keep moving while the page is loading. If you check the history, I have reverted my revert seconds later. Sorry, again :) --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 11:11, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
In fact I didn't even see the edit I reverted but I undid it because I accidentally clicked on the wrong link on a different entry.--Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 11:14, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
No problem!! Benwing (talk) 11:19, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

подсылать[edit]

Если бы у этого глагола и могла образовываться форма страдательного причастия прошедшего времени, то ожидалось бы *подсы́ланный. Однако такой формы не существует, ведь она никогда не образуется от глаголов несовершенного вида, имеющих видовую пару (см. «Грамматический словарь русского языка», с. 86).--Cinemantique (talk) 00:15, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

@Cinemantique: В английском викисловаре мы давно придерживаемся практики давать страдательные страдательные причастия прошедшего времени для несовершенных глаголов даже если они образованы от совершенных глаголов и давать варианты от обеих форм - напр. "деланный, сделанный". Если желаешь, можно открыть тему в Wiktionary:Tea room или Wiktionary:Beer parlour. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 00:24, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Да кстати, насчет "никогда" - "деланный", "мазанный", "резанный", "лепленный", "меченный", и т.д. образованы от глаголов несовершенного вида. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 00:26, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Разумеется, ведь у них нет строгой видовой пары. Ну, если вам так нравится у одного глагола ставить форму другого глагола, то ради бога; никаких обсуждений я поднимать не намерен.--Cinemantique (talk) 00:31, 25 April 2015 (UTC)