Talk:brutum fulmen

RFV discussion: June 2019

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brutum fulmen

Supposedly English. I'm pretty sure that it is Latin - the examples used in English sentences seem like instances of code-switching. SemperBlotto (talk) 19:36, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

The term is actually not used in other languages—I was unable to find any instance of it in a non-English language on Google or Google Books postdating (or antedating for that matter) the 16th century. It derives from a pamphlet that was written in English (Brutum Fulmen, Or the Bull of Pope Pius V) as per the etymology section. The term is not found in that sense in classical Latin either; Pliny's original usage, cited in the article, is literal and not in the sense of the lemma. See the Oxford Guide to Latin in International Law (unfortunately behind a paywall but you can see the relevant part in the free preview): "Brutum Fulmen was originally the name of a 1681 pamphlet by Thomas Lord Bishop of Lincoln denouncing the Papal Bull of Pius V". Cf. other English expressions derived from Latin like ad hominem. Nizolan (talk) 20:20, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

@SemperBlotto: I have tried to clarify this further in this edit, but I'm not sure how exactly to state that a term wasn't used in a particular language. Nizolan (talk) 20:46, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

I have also now cited each sense 3 times (apologies for the sequential posting). Nizolan (talk) 00:46, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

RFV-passed Kiwima (talk) 23:04, 22 June 2019 (UTC)