Talk:méh
In the Hungarian language there are twoo meaning of "méh":
méh 1 = bee;
méh 2 = uterus
This is an association between the bug and woman.
But in the Hungarian language there is another word "here" with remarkable association to this same bug:
here 1 = drone (a "male bee")
here 2 = testicle
This is an association between the bug and man.
And how are these associations in the Slavic, or in the Finnugor languages?
The words "méh" and "here" really origins from Slavic, or from Finnugoric? Are you sure?
Look at the ancient civilization of Crete (especially the bee cult), and than try to reconsider the origin of these words!
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méh second noun section, Hungarian. Definiton is: MEHHHH also known as "Shmeh" a migration of "Meh" the "meh" face also a hit. sasjb
RJFJR 14:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
- Looks like vandalism to me, so I removed it. If it's just terribly formatted, terribly worded, and full of typos, then someone can replace it.—msh210℠ 18:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
please update[edit]
@Panda10, @Adam78 Hi guys and gals, since you're already at it, could one of you please standardize the pronunciation section, and update the declension of the following entries: céh, düh, juh, méh, rüh? According to the new orthography:
- "Azoknak a h végű főneveknek, amelyeknek a kiejtése ingadozik (düh: [dü] v. [düh], méh: [mé] v. [méh] stb. [vö. 74.]), a -val, -vel és a -vá, -vé ragos alakjait írni is kétféleképpen lehet: dühvel [düvel] – dühhel, méhvé [mévé] – méhhé stb."
- Section 82 in A magyar helyesírás szabályai, 12. kiadás (’The Rules of Hungarian Orthography, 12th edition’). Budapest: Akadémiai Kiadó, 2015. →ISBN
I wouldn't be nitpicking, except that I have pronounced these words with a hard H all my life. I could only do the declension myself, as my reading of IPA is mostly confined to Portuguese and English, which don't have so many H sounds as are mentioned in these entries (Portuguese has none), so I have no idea which of them is right. Thank you! --94.21.176.24 19:29, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! I've edited méh and düh. The words listed may not all be the same case (e.g. rüh having a hard h) and there are some other words as well that are affected (e.g. cseh). See A h-ra vonatkozó megszorítások történeti változásai (btw, I assume the authors mean epentetikus when they write epitetikus). There is certainly some more work to be done on these entries. Perhaps a template might be useful too because of general tendencies that apply to most of these words to a somewhat different extent. Adam78 (talk) 20:33, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
- I've looked into the article, and the question does seem a little more complicated than I thought at first. I got my list of words from the AkH (section 74 which is referred to in the rule), which clearly states that the pronunciation of these five words varies among speakers, so I think that these at least should have the alternate forms mentioned. As for the other words, I don't yet have a clear idea how to go about it, but I agree that a template would be useful. Perhaps there should also be some cross-reference that connects the specific forms in declension and pronunciation, in fact, I think I will add this now. Feel free to correct my terminology there, as I am not linguistically educated. --94.21.176.24 07:15, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
If you agree, I'd like to delete the dialectal /ˈdyç/. Lisztrachmaninovfan added it in 2013 and it stayed there, but I don't think it's correct. The voiceless palatal fricative sound /ç/ in Hungarian is an allophone of j and it appears in words such as kapj, rakj. For this group of words only three pronunciations should be listed: silent H, soft H /ɦ/ and strong H /x/. Panda10 (talk) 16:57, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
- Panda10, thank you so much, it is perfect! For my part, you may certainly do whatever you see fit with the pronunciation info. As I've already mentioned, I'm only semiliterate in IPA, which is why I didn't want to do this myself in the first place. --94.21.176.24 21:04, 1 April 2019 (UTC)