Talk:rice queen

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Google suggests this may be valid, about as common as a resturant name? --Connel MacKenzie 21:29, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Google shows that there are a number of these commonly used in gay circles. Some of which are rather racist. Examples are: curry queen (man liking South Asian men), dinge queen (white man liking black men), potato queen (Asian man liking Caucasian men), rice queen (man liking East Asian men), salami queen (man liking Italian men), snow queen (black man likely white men). See here and here for more.
I don't see any need for the hyphen, by the way. — Paul G 09:53, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

This is a geninue gay slang term. It would be homophobic to not include it

OK, Mr/Ms Unsigned Comment, would you like to add it for us and provide legitimate citations? — Paul G 09:45, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
I moved the above here from below, since it seemed to be related to this word.
In any case, I'll add a cite from GLAAD. -- SatyrTN 01:42, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
So, not a single durably archived source then? Seems to me that even if it were a nonce, it would have seen some published use. Wiktionary is not a grandstand for promoting your made up terms (and hence, your a POV.) --Connel MacKenzie 21:23, 21 December 2006 (UTC) (edited) 23:46, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Whoah - hold up there, Connel! First of all, this isn't a made up term. It's been used for at least ten years within the gay community and beyond. Secondly, it is published - if you'll read the page here, you'll notice a book on Amazon as well as a media guide published by a widely respected source - GLAAD. Thirdly, the tone of your comments above is highly offensive and provocative. Please remain civil. -- SatyrTN 22:07, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Whoa, hold up there StyrTN! I'm talking about the entry not meeting WT:CFI. This seems like a typical attempt at promotion that Wiktionary sees far too often. All words in the English language were "made up" as some point in history; I was only suggesting that it was made up too recently for it to merit a Wiktionary entry. The single book suggests that the term would fail our independence criteria. The secondary sources are not valid as citations at all (nor would I consider any of those to be reliable authorities on language.) Here is {{nosecondary}}:
Please see the description of what the request for verification process is for, at the top of this page. The purpose is not fact-checking, but to verify whether a sense meets our criteria for inclusion. "Occurrence in other dictionaries" is not one of our criteria. The word usage is there, not "listing" and was put there very intentionally. Blindly copying from other dictionaries leaves us vulnerable to copyright violations, allegations of copyright violation, Nihilartikels and invalid appeals to authority. Referring to other dictionaries is fine to clarify (or even correct) a definition. But other dictionaries are not valid citations for a request for verification.
--Connel MacKenzie 23:46, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Gotcha - sorry - I over-reacted. The comment just sounded a little attacky... My bad. In any case, wouldn't a media guide be considered a reliable authority on language? If I recall, I saw rice-queen in at least two or three media guides. -- SatyrTN 22:21, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I can understand that this word may not be used commonly in everyday American life. But it is regularly used in gay communities and in the United Kingdom. This dictionary resource is valued by ALL English speaking nations. I urge you to consider Rice-queen for entry and do not let conservative republic politics sway your decision. Please consider and discuss —This unsigned comment was added by 80.229.0.55 (talk).

Don't worry, while there may be conservative republicans lurking (;-), we don't let politics or various bigotries affect what we do. I've heard rice queen myself a few times; don't recall ever wondering what it meant (obvious). (Oh, and not that recent; the one occasion I remember would be ~1994) I would think it would not have a hyphen? Certainly used in speech. cf size queen. The synonym offered makes little sense, that would be someone who is Asian. Robert Ullmann 19:27, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Let me present two opposing points. The con being that rice-queen is an invented term by a minority of the white gay population and is considered terribly offensive here in the U.S. and internationally based off of scholar reports and studies especially those focusing on racism in the GLBT community. Simply go to the Wikipedia entry on Rice-queen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/rice_queen where I have detailed these studies. The pro? Rice queen is a term equated to nigger, faggot, dyke, red-neck, slut, bitch, whore, and chink because all of them could be considered "endearing" and yet heinous in different circumstances. Also the one common thread is that white influence has propagated all these terms throughout history and "rice queen" is simply another invention of this influence. Consider, the term already has severely racial connotations and assumptions (ie: rice as in all Asians eat rice). In my opinion, I am fine either way but I would question your morals and ethics in this entire process. Davumaya 23:24, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Stop right there. We are perfectly willing to discuss whether a term is racist/perjorative/etc. and have plenty of such words, properly tagged. The discussion is about the content of the wikt. However, your last comment is a direct personal attack on the participant(s), and is in no way acceptable here. Robert Ullmann 23:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps æquivalent unto using hamburger queen to mean a gay man attracted unto Americans? Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 23:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Would it have been so hard to look at b.g.c? I get 130+ hits, with three good ones on the first page. Case closed. I know everyone's doing this in their own spare time, but in the time it took to write all the newbie-hostile "bring us the cites and then we'll talk" above, one could easily check b.g.c, say "Oh look, there are lots of valid cites" and maybe even paste a couple of them in. The result, one more quality entry in Wiktionary.

I would want to move this to rice queen, as I don't see the hyphen used anywhere. -dmh 19:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

This word was during Decmember, in this time I have been impressed with the depth of the discussion. I'm glad we have reached a crux of the matter and thus agresed with the definition.

I think its bloody stupid. Rfvpassed. Only just. Andrew massyn 16:11, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[Rice-Queen] I can understand that this word may not be used commonly in everyday American life. But it is regularly used in gay communities and in the United Kingdom. This dictionary resource is valued by ALL English speaking nations.

I urge you to consider Rice-queen for entry and do not let conservative republic politics sway your decision.

Please consider

many thanks —This comment was unsigned.

We'll certainly consider adding the word, as long as it meets our WT:CFI. So far, I can find one usage :
  1. Gawthrop, Daniel. The Rice Queen Diaries.

Beobach972 00:58, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

dinge queen, rice queen[edit]

Actually, I first heard the terms dinge andrice queen in the 1970's at a gay lib meeting at the University of Chicago, most students were left wing. dinge queen and other homophobic terms, were once au courant o ir widely . used by gay men AND women. While those terms have always been politically incorrect and offensive, they remain historically correct and should be listed slang dictionaries, 98.154.236.205 13:12, 16 May 2013 (UTC) Frank sanello. author of Tweakers: How Crystal Meth IS Ravaging Gay America (Alyson, 2005) I'm writing another book now, and as part of research, Googled "Dinge queens" for verification of that outdated term. l l


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