Talk:tắm

Etymology

Does it derive from 沁? 173.89.236.187 14:05, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

No. Wyang (talk) 04:41, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

The fact that they have the same definition is coincidental, then, and the Vietnamese term derives from a Mon-Khmer, Austronesian, or some other non-Sinitic root? 173.89.236.187 04:44, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

The han-viet.com website has the following to say:

sấm - (1) thấm, (2) tâm, (3) sấm 沁 qìn (thấm) [ Vh @ QT 沁 qìn, shěn < MC chim < OC *shǝms | PNH: QĐ sam3, Hẹ sim5, TrC cim3, sim2 | Shuowen: 水。 出上黨羊頭山，東南入河。 从水心聲。 七鴆切 || Starostin: to leak (Tang). Also used for a river name. Viet. thấm is regular, but the standard Sino-Viet. form is (for some reason) tâm. See also 滲, 瀋. || td. 沁涼 qìnliáng (thấmlạnh) ] (water), seep absorb, soak into, seep in, ooze, permeate, percolate, penetrate, measure the depth of water, Also:, Qin, name of a river and a county in Shanxi Province, China

173.89.236.187 04:47, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

tẩm ("to soak") is from 浸. tắm is from PMK *samʔ; *sum[ ] ("to bathe"). (Viet-Mương) Mương thắm (Barker 1966 17), Vietnamese tắm. Wyang (talk) 04:52, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. It does indeed seem to be a coincidence. tắm seems nevertheless to have become associated with the character 沁, at least in databases I looked at such as the Nom Foundation's, which gives the readings of tắm, tăm, tấm, and thấm. 173.89.236.187 04:56, 1 April 2014 (UTC)