Template talk:hy-conj-ալ
Latest comment: 2 years ago by Vahagn Petrosyan in topic Why no passive?
Why no passive?[edit]
A lot of words with -ալ have passives. Զգալ—զգացվել, իմանալ—իմացվել, զարգանալ—զարգացվել and so forth. At least add an option. GareginRA (talk) 07:30, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- They don't. Those are the passives of the respective causatives: զգացնել—զգացվել, իմացնել—իմացվել, զարգացնել—զարգացվել. --Vahag (talk) 16:38, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
@Hovsepig, the passive belongs to the paradigm of the causative. --Vahag (talk) 20:06, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Vahagn Petrosyan: ah, I would disagree with that, but eh as long those words are somewhere in the system then I’m happy. Though for a word like կարդացվել “to be read”, doenst the meaning show that this verb is derived from կարդալ and not կարդացնել “to cause to read”? Hovsepig (talk) 20:16, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
- Maybe the meaning does show that, but formally it is part of the causative paradigm. Note that all four results in eanc.net for կարդացվել include the tag "caus". Note also the symmetry: մաշել (mašel) ~ մաշվել (mašvel) ~ մաշեցնել (mašecʻnel) ~ մաշեցվել (mašecʻvel) vs կարդալ (kardal) ~ X ~ կարդացնել (kardacʻnel) ~ կարդացվել (kardacʻvel). Vahag (talk) 23:26, 19 January 2022 (UTC)