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Vietnamese: Để thảo luận với tôi trong tiếng Việt về Wiktionary, xin vui lòng ghé vào trang thảo luận của tôi ở Wiktionary tiếng Việt.

Middle Vietnamese

Hi! I see you've been adding some Middle Vietnamese entries. I'm not a speaker of Vietnamese, but from all the information I can gather, only the Vietnamese–Portuguese–Latin dictionary, and maybe a few other works were written in the Latin script, while the vast majority of texts were still written with chu nom. Do you think we should keep the Latin script entries as full entries, or only as romanizations of the chu nom entries for Middle Vietnamese? DerekWinters (talk) 06:22, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

@DerekWinters I'm on the fence, leaning towards no. Vietnamese-language writings in the 17th century (which would be considered Middle Vietnamese) were primarily authored by either de Rhodes using his orthography or Girolamo Maiorica using chữ Nôm. (Some Jesuits, including Philipphê Bỉnh, continued to use de Rhodes' orthography into the 19th century with the modern language.) De Rhodes' alphabet was more than a dictionary respelling system, but still a niche alphabet.

I can appreciate that having a second set of lemmas can be a maintenance burden. On the other hand, it's going to be difficult to associate most of the words in de Rhodes' dictionary with Nôm characters. Chữ Nôm was never standardized, so there can be dozens of characters for one alphabetic word. A correspondence between chữ Nôm and de Rhodes' Middle Vietnamese words would be hard to come by. A Nôm–quốc ngữ dictionary bassed on Maiorica's 17th-century works was finally published in 1992, but I don't know if it uses the old orthography. Sometimes we can triangulate. For instance, "bánh" has continued to be "bánh" in modern Vietnamese, and "bánh" is written 餅/𩛄/𤖶 per the Taberd dictionary (late 18th century) or the WinVNKey database (20th century). We can place information about "bánh" in the "Vietnamese" sections of 餅, 𩛄, and 𤖶, but different Nôm phonosemantic characters may have been used in the 17th century, when the phonology was very different.

With the separate lemmas, I'm sidestepping all the guesswork that would be required to call the Latin-script words romanizations of particular chữ Nôm characters. But I don't feel very strongly about it.

 – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 08:05, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

I understand. This triangulation is what I had been doing for the few lemmas I did create in Middle Vietnamese. I guess it's easiest (and best) to keep the Latin entries as full entries. Thanks! DerekWinters (talk) 23:33, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Related terms

This heading is intended for words with the same root, e.g. blank and blanch. Equinox ◑ 23:57, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll use other headings like "Coordinate terms" and "Hyponyms" then, and "See also" where necessary. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 00:01, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Please be careful about hyper/hyponyms too. If X is a hypernym of Y then "all Y are X" (e.g. all guitars are musical instruments); I don't think that a three-way is a subtype of two-way, or that a cheese coney is a subtype of chili (it merely contains chili). Equinox ◑ 02:06, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

For your user page, how about...

"Loveland, Ohio, United States, North America, Americas, Earth, [...]"? It really is a predicament that Loveland is split between three counties according to Wikipedia though, since it'd be even funnier if you included the county. Of course, if you were comfortable doing this, you could include the county that corresponds to which section of town you're in. Anyway, just something to think about! PseudoSkull (talk) 07:05, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

@PseudoSkull I don't live there anymore, but it would be Hamilton County. Actually, it would be both Loveland and the paper township of Loveland Township in Hamilton County. Loveland is technically subordinate to Loveland Township, which is one of three Loveland Townships in Loveland. So this list could loop infinitely! – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 17:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Technical problem with categories

Hey there! I'm currently contributing to the German language in the Vietnamese Wikipedia and have a problem with categorizing some of them. The one I'm struggling with is for example Hentai, where the order of the category name "tiếng Đức Danh từ không đếm được" is mixed up. I want to change it into "Danh từ tiếng Đức không đếm được". Can you help me out? That would be really nice. ChemPro (talk) 10:38, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

@ChemPro: Fixed. Thanks for helping to improve our coverage of German! Minh Nguyễn ^💬 11:08, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Great! I just noticed that somehow the category bar appears twice. And the word after "sở hữu cách" at the header seems to be bold. Can you fix these too? --ChemPro (talk) 12:12, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

I just realized, that the Vietnamese Wikipedia has two category bars by design ... Thanks anyway. --ChemPro (talk) 14:12, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

@ChemPro: Yep, the bottom one is for categories that apply to the whole page, not just the entry in one of the languages. vi:Hentai#Tiếng Đức has "Hentai" in bold because it's a link to the same page; MediaWiki styles all links pointing nowhere as bold text. Minh Nguyễn ^💬 06:52, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation! --ChemPro (talk) 11:38, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Another technical problem

Hello again. I noticed that in the entry for đì đùng that the link to Soha Tra Từ doesn't seem to work because there is a plus sign inserted between đì and đùng. Can you fix this? ChemPro (talk) 08:28, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

@ChemPro: Fixed. Minh Nguyễn ^💬 10:36, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Categories with red links

Hello mxn, I have again another technical problem with the categories in the Vietnamese Wikipedia. Is it somehow possible to remove the redundant categories, like in the German entry aufrechterhalten? Thank you! ChemPro (talk) 07:20, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

@ChemPro: I retranslated some of the module code that generates these entries. That entry should be in the correct categories now. Minh Nguyễn ^💬 09:54, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

All right, thank you again! :D --ChemPro (talk) 10:02, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Can you please check the red link category of the entry Mensch? The order seems to be incorrect again. --ChemPro (talk) 14:55, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

@ChemPro: Fixed. It's a little trickier in Vietnamese than in English because adjectives come after the nouns they modify. The English version of the template relied on an assumption that the language name always comes first, but because it doesn't in Vietnamese, we have to distinguish between simple adjectives that can go before tiếng Đức and more complex phrases that go after. I've added a new placeholder syntax to the insert() function, @, that gets replaced by tiếng Đức. If a call to this function omits @, then it appends tiếng Đức to the end of the category name. Minh Nguyễn ^💬 20:05, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

As someone coming from a non-IT field, I have no idea what you've said, but thanks for fixing it! :D --ChemPro (talk) 04:10, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

lang=

Hiya - this may have just been a moment of forgetfulness, but we don't use the lang= parameter anymore like you did here. Plus, the non-gloss definition template doesn't actually take a language code at all (as it's for definitions, which are always given in English). This wasn't causing any problems, but I've just updated the template to throw an error if someone enters an invalid parameter, which made this one show up.

Just as an FYI, you can use {{ng}} instead of {{non-gloss definition}}, which is a bit quicker to type and keeps the wikitext a bit cleaner. Theknightwho (talk) 21:55, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

@Theknightwho: Thank you for these tips! Admittedly I hadn't bothered to check which parameters that template accepts because language parameters are so common around here. But the error is a nice improvement; I'll certainly heed it going forward. Minh Nguyễn ^💬 02:24, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Module:vi

Let's take the entry gật as an example. In the section "Derived terms", there is once again "Derived terms" written below it, but in brackets. This seems to me an unnecessary duplication. Can you please remove it? ChemPro (talk) 01:41, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@ChemPro: This appears to be default text that you can override using the |title= parameter. Other editors like to use this template under a "See also" header for some reason, so I guess that would need to be changed on each individual entry before the module could be updated. Minh Nguyễn ^💬 17:56, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Alright, thanks! --ChemPro (talk) 10:04, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Category problem

Xin chào Minh Nguyễn! I've created some new German entries for the Vietnamese Wiktionary (like Koffer, klein, Bahnhof) and in all of them there appears the following category: "Từ tiếng Đức có tham số head thừa". What does this mean and why does it happen? Thanks in advance! ChemPro (talk) 14:30, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

As in Gepäck, do know where I can change the word "or" (the word between Gepäcks and Gepäckes at the headword) to "hoặc"? --ChemPro (talk) 15:02, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

@ChemPro: Fixed. Minh Nguyễn ^💬 18:00, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

@ChemPro: It's equivalent to Category:German terms with redundant head parameter, but I don't know quite what the issue is. I don't see a |head= parameter in that entry. It might have something to do with Module:headword/data, but I've already updated that module and nothing jumps out at me. Minh Nguyễn ^💬 17:26, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the second issue though. For the first issue, I guess this might have something to do with Mô đun:headword (especially line 813), but I'm not sure. --ChemPro (talk) 11:16, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

@ChemPro: OK, this change pulls in the fix. Minh Nguyễn ^💬 17:25, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks again! --ChemPro (talk) 01:48, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Bản mẫu:present participle of

While updating this template, I came across an error message not knowing how to resolve it. Can you please take a look? --ChemPro (talk) 15:35, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Same for Bản mẫu:past participle of. --ChemPro (talk) 20:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)