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## Collocations must always be wrapped in either {{tl|collocation}}, {{tl|co}} or {{tl|coi}}.
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# Enforce the creation of {{tl|collocation}}, {{tl|co}} and {{tl|coi}}, analogous to {{tl|usex}}, {{tl|ux}} and {{tl|uxi}} but with separate categories.<sup>1</sup>
# Enforce the creation of {{tl|collocation}}, {{tl|co}} and {{tl|coi}}, analogous to {{tl|usex}}, {{tl|ux}} and {{tl|uxi}} but with separate categories.<sup>1</sup>
# Add an L4 header <code>====Collocations====</code> to [[WT:EL]] between <code>====Descendants====</code> and <code>====Translations====</code> that may be used in any language.
# Add an L4 header <code>====Collocations====</code> to [[WT:EL]] between <code>====Descendants====</code> and <code>====Translations====</code> that may be used in any language.
# Create a policy page [[Wiktionary:Collocations]], analogous to [[Wiktionary:Example sentences]]. Therein, define in particular:
# Move [[User:Fytcha/Collocations]] to [[Wiktionary:Collocations]].
## A collocation is a group of words that occurs with much higher frequency than would be expected by chance.
## Collocations must always be wrapped in either {{tl|collocation}}, {{tl|co}} or {{tl|coi}}.
## Collocations may be either placed under the corresponding sense, after all nyms but before all example sentences, or under a separate <code>====Collocations====</code> header, either as a bulleted list (potentially after {{tl|s}}/{{tl|sense}} if necessary) or in a {{tl|der-top}} box.
## Collocations are (for the time being) only to be used for nouns and verbs.
## Unlike example sentences, collocations must not be complete sentences.
## Collocations must be given in a lemmatized form, including the infinitive marker if applicable ({{m+|en|to}}, {{m+|ro|a}} etc.), including (prepositional) objects, potentially in parentheses if optional.
## Translations of non-English collocations should, if possible, be as [[idiomatic]] (sense 1) in English in possible and not literal.


{{small|<sup>1</sup>: A failure of the vote as always means that the status quo prior to the vote is upheld; in particular, this means that anybody is free to create and employ {{tl|collocation}}, {{tl|co}} and {{tl|coi}} as well as the categories, but nobody is ''forced'' to do so.}}
{{small|<sup>1</sup>: A failure of the vote as always means that the status quo prior to the vote is upheld; in particular, this means that anybody is free to create and employ {{tl|collocation}}, {{tl|co}} and {{tl|coi}} as well as the categories, but nobody is ''forced'' to do so.}}

Revision as of 21:39, 2 March 2022

Adding Collocations

Voting on: Providing the necessary infrastructure to greatly facilitate the documentation of collocations. In particular:

  1. Enforce the creation of {{collocation}}, {{co}} and {{coi}}, analogous to {{usex}}, {{ux}} and {{uxi}} but with separate categories.1
  2. Add an L4 header ====Collocations==== to WT:EL between ====Descendants==== and ====Translations==== that may be used in any language.
  3. Move User:Fytcha/Collocations to Wiktionary:Collocations.

1: A failure of the vote as always means that the status quo prior to the vote is upheld; in particular, this means that anybody is free to create and employ {{collocation}}, {{co}} and {{coi}} as well as the categories, but nobody is forced to do so.

Rationale:

  • Collocations are indispensable linguistic information. Collocations are of major importance in language learning to familiarize oneself with the idiomatic (sense 1) and natural mode of expression of a language.
  • There is clear consensus among bilingual dictionaries on the internet that this information is very valuable. Compare our article for English verdict with dict.cc, leo.org, pons.com. Wiktionary is lagging behind; no, en.wiktionary is lagging behind, compare de:verdict (under "Charakteristische Wortkombinationen:").
  • In German, there are multiple collocation dictionaries (e.g. https://kollokationenwoerterbuch.ch/web/dict/?article_id=640548) and major monolingual dictionaries also come with their own (statistically generated) list of "typical combinations" (e.g. https://www.dwds.de/wb/einjagen). The same is true for the major Romanian dictionary DEX (see e.g. mânca -> ro:mânca): Expressions like "A-și mânca credința (sau omenia, lefteria) = a-și pierde prestigiul, cinstea, creditul." would not survive as standalone articles on en.wikt per WT:SOP. It is also true for Alemannic: Schweizerisches Idiotikon for Schrëck lists collocations such as "En Schr. īnnin", "E(n) Schr. han."
  • Contrary to our existing guidelines at WT:USEX ("Example sentences should: be grammatically complete sentences, beginning with a capital letter and ending with a period, question mark, or exclamation point. [] " (emphasis mine)), editors already frequently provide incomplete examples - collocations (see e.g. back: "back action", "to back a letter", "to back the oars"). Thus, this vote would amend our policies to be more in line with the de facto standard.

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