Reconstruction talk:Proto-Germanic/klebô
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Latest comment: 8 years ago by Anglom in topic Etymology
Etymology[edit]
The root of this word can't be *kleubaną, as that root would straightforwardly only give *kleub-, *klaub- or *klub-. It might theoretically be possible to posit a back-formation from *klub-, but there doesn't seem to be a reasonable motivation for it.
de Vries seems to suggest borrowing from Latin clībanus (“earthen pot, oven”) instead, but I'm not really familiar enough with Vulgar/Late Latin phonology to say whether that's formally likely. Anglom (talk) 01:11, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
- Latin ī can reflect e-grade ey or o-grade oy, or of course laryngeal iH. Either way, there must be an i in there. So that means that this form must be *klibô if they are from the same root. —CodeCat 12:38, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
- I meant borrowing, rather than being cognate. The Latin word itself was borrowed from Greek, and Beekes doesn't think the Greek word is of Indo-European origin. From what I can find, the Old English and Norse words don't fit the semantics perfectly, but it's theoretically possible for "compartment" to have developed from "oven; pot". I just don't know if (Northwest) Germanic *kleb- could have come from Latin clīb-, unless Vulgar or Late Latin -ī- became -e- regularly. Anglom (talk) 18:44, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
- Latin ī pretty much always remains ī in Germanic. In fact, more often than not, ē also becomes ī. —CodeCat 23:53, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
- That does strike a hole in the theory. Thanks. Anglom (talk) 03:20, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
- Latin ī pretty much always remains ī in Germanic. In fact, more often than not, ē also becomes ī. —CodeCat 23:53, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
- I meant borrowing, rather than being cognate. The Latin word itself was borrowed from Greek, and Beekes doesn't think the Greek word is of Indo-European origin. From what I can find, the Old English and Norse words don't fit the semantics perfectly, but it's theoretically possible for "compartment" to have developed from "oven; pot". I just don't know if (Northwest) Germanic *kleb- could have come from Latin clīb-, unless Vulgar or Late Latin -ī- became -e- regularly. Anglom (talk) 18:44, 29 September 2015 (UTC)