Module talk:zh/data/dial-syn/剪刀
Singapore Cantonese[edit]
@The dog2 Hi, are you sure it's 剪刀 for Singapore Cantonese and not 鉸剪? RcAlex36 (talk) 17:16, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
- @RcAlex36: That's what it says here. I know they're not always correct, so I don't mind if you want to remove it. You can also e-mail the guys who run the channel if you want to confirm. The dog2 (talk) 18:10, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
- @The dog2: Just wondering, is doggy5 in the comments of the video also you? (If you don't mind me asking.) RcAlex36 (talk) 18:13, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
- @RcAlex36: Yeah, that's me but they never replied. If you can e-mail those guys and ask them to be editors here, then of course it will be great. Speaking of background, the guy who runs the channel is a native Hokkien and Teochew speaker, and he picked up his Cantonese while working as an investment banker in Hong Kong. That said, his content is focussed on how the dialects are spoken in Singapore, so he often points out in his podcasts where Singapore Cantonese is different from Hong Kong Cantonese. The dog2 (talk) 18:15, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
- @The dog2: Just wondering, is doggy5 in the comments of the video also you? (If you don't mind me asking.) RcAlex36 (talk) 18:13, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Philippine Hokkien[edit]
@Mlgc1998 Hey, I just saw you added 剪刀 in Philippine Hokkien here. Are you sure? --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 12:14, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Mar vin kaiser: I asked around again about this and now, it might be the lesser used one that people just understood from the tendency of some elders to saying common mandarin vocabulary in hokkien pronunciation when they can't remember the common local term. I can't remember right now where I heard this term exactly months ago when I added this. I just know that it sounds familiar from I've heard of somewhere that may have used it sometimes or rarely, tho yeah it sounds more like an alternative word if ever people can't remember the other more common terms.--Mlgc1998 (talk) 13:31, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Mlgc1998: The thing is, if it's really Hokkien, it should be pronounced tsián-to, not like the Mandarin jiǎndāo. Obvious difference being the second syllable. Which one did you hear? --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 13:40, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Mar vin kaiser: I know we say it differently between the two. Like I said, I'm not referring exactly to the Mandarin term when I put that down. I'm referring to when some elders or boomer speakers try to use the Hokkien "tsián-to" term when I presume in their minds, they're imagining the common Mandarin vocabulary for 剪刀 "jiǎndāo", since at that time, they likely forgot the common hokkien term people usually use here and decided to transpose it with that. I'm guessing I probably heard that from such a scenario before, since I can't remember that specific instance right now when I actually heard it tho of course, I can't read their minds to when they consider that as a normal thing they accept in their common vocabulary of terms these types of elderlies would use in their parlance. The elderlies would also do this usually with Xiamen terms and the boomers would more likely do it with Mandarin vocabs too, then all the younger gens would readily borrow in more English and Tagalog, as you know.--Mlgc1998 (talk) 13:59, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Mlgc1998: Wait, I don't think you understand my question. Did you hear it said with the vowel "au" or the vowel "o"? --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 14:02, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Mar vin kaiser: the "o" but it is a bit uncommon. --Mlgc1998 (talk) 14:47, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Mlgc1998: Wait, I don't think you understand my question. Did you hear it said with the vowel "au" or the vowel "o"? --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 14:02, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Mar vin kaiser: I know we say it differently between the two. Like I said, I'm not referring exactly to the Mandarin term when I put that down. I'm referring to when some elders or boomer speakers try to use the Hokkien "tsián-to" term when I presume in their minds, they're imagining the common Mandarin vocabulary for 剪刀 "jiǎndāo", since at that time, they likely forgot the common hokkien term people usually use here and decided to transpose it with that. I'm guessing I probably heard that from such a scenario before, since I can't remember that specific instance right now when I actually heard it tho of course, I can't read their minds to when they consider that as a normal thing they accept in their common vocabulary of terms these types of elderlies would use in their parlance. The elderlies would also do this usually with Xiamen terms and the boomers would more likely do it with Mandarin vocabs too, then all the younger gens would readily borrow in more English and Tagalog, as you know.--Mlgc1998 (talk) 13:59, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Mlgc1998: The thing is, if it's really Hokkien, it should be pronounced tsián-to, not like the Mandarin jiǎndāo. Obvious difference being the second syllable. Which one did you hear? --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 13:40, 28 November 2020 (UTC)