Talk:唼

Japanese, FWOTD

Discussion moved from User talk:Fish bowl#唼.

Are you sure it doesn't have a definition? Last time I checked, and even now, it says under "唼":

(uncommon “Hyōgai” kanji)

1. speaking evil
2. gobbling sound made by ducks

If that's not the definition, then what is that numbered list for?

Mind you, I am referring to the Japanese entry, not the Chinese one, which does indeed not have a definition. I believe I marked it for a Japanese FWOTD though.

(If your talk page isn't the right place to discuss this, let me know; I never did this before.) Signbear999 (talk) 23:18, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm beginning to see why my edit was reverted; I apologize, and I do see the lack of citation. If I were to add a reference to this entry, which dictionary would be the most authoritative? Every dictionary I've come across online gives the exact same definition that is written here. Signbear999 (talk) 23:29, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

@Signbear999 Oh, my apologies, I missed the "ja" part. And yes this is the right page :)

But the Japanese entry is also missing examples of actual usage. 唼 is probably one of those obscure obsolete characters where Japanese kanji dictionaries follow the Chinese ~big important traditional dictionaries~ (which is really what they do 99% of the time — for reading Chinese classics). A quick search at https://kotobank.jp/gs/?q=唼 has some results, but either as Chinese (唼喋 shàzhá -- the sound of fish or waterfowl eating) or mostly as 生唼, the name of a historical horse.

And FWIW, those precise definitions are copied from Unicode's rather dubious Unihan Database "kDefinition" field ([1]).

—Fish bowl (talk) 23:37, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Alright, thank you. Where should I go from here? I see that the Japanese definition may be a lost cause. There is no verifiable source other than Unihan which is not reliable.

On the Chinese hand, [2] has an actually usable definition not from Unihan: the first use of 唼 here can be backed up in the third use on this dictionary, which links to the compound 唼佞, which is defined as "誹謗的言論。" The second use is probably related to the compound you mentioned, 唼喋, defined as "水鳥或魚類吃食的聲音." As it seems that a good Japanese definition would not be possible, maybe I could source a new Chinese one using this dictionary. Signbear999 (talk) 00:11, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

@Signbear999: Yes, I think working on the Chinese section would be more fruitful. —Fish bowl (talk) 01:23, 27 July 2022 (UTC)