Talk:hydrogen

In order to have things advance a bit, I googled to find web pages with translations of the names of the elements. I guessed that something like the names of the elements should be feasible to find on the internet by now. I stumbled on the following page, which seemed to good to be true:

http://www.vanderkrogt.net/elements/elem/h.html

Like a true Hansel (and Gretel) I started to incorporate the translations into our page. Before I was going to create a script to do the same for the other elements, I wrote an email to the author of this page, to ask if this would be all right with him. For some reason the email address I used is not accepting emails anymore, so he came over to edit our page to call my attention. I wrote him a new email from another account and am anxiously awaiting his answer now. To be on the safe side, I reverted the entry back to the state before the merging of his translations, except for Breton, which has been checked by somebody in the mean time.

I'll keep you informed on how this goes on.Polyglot 21:37, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Peter Vanderkrogt doesn't agree to let us copy the translations found on his pages. He would prefer us to link to his page. Since we are trying to create an independent work of reference, this is not an option though, so I will try to find other sources to add translations.Polyglot 11:37, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

The periodic table in Italian is at http://www.minerva.unito.it/Chimica&Industria/SistemaPeriodico/TabellaSemplice.htm - I am transferring Italian translations from there. Good luck in finding it in other languages. I suggest searching for "periodic table" in each of the required languages - this is what I did for Italian. Paul G 12:40, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

That's what I'm planning to do. But, on his site they were there already all together. I would have come up with a script to semi-automatically convert them to the Wiktionary format. Now it's going to ask a bit more effort. Not a big deal.Polyglot 13:48, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Yes, I looked at Peter's page and it is a goldmine - all the elements in dozens of languages. Ah well. Paul G 14:25, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

He has been quite busy indeed. The problem is, he now considers it as his property. Or rather he opposes the idea to 'duplicate' the data. His viewpoint is that data on the internet should be linked from one site to another. That may be fine for ordinary web sites, but it isn't when one is trying to build a dictionary. Anyway, I found another site with a GPL'd Ruby program that has quite a few as well, BUT the author of this program found his translations also at Peter's site. I wrote him a new email. I wonder whether this other author went to ask for permission... It's almost a pity I didn't find that source first. I would never have looked any further... and I would have been convinced I got the data from an already GPLd work.

I received an email from Peter this morning that he agrees to share the translations he gathered and publicized on his web site. For the etymologies of the names he wants us to link through to his site. How do I give credit where it is due? Do I put it in the talk pages or in the entries themselves? I will write a script to add them in the next few days.

He also referred me to: http://xerius.jergym.hiedu.cz/~canovm/vyhledav/chemici2.html Polyglot 13:23, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)

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The Italian translations for elements 1 to 94 (hydrogen to plutonium) are now done. The periodic table at the site I mentioned above goes up to 109 but does not have linked pages for the elements above 95. They'll have to come from somewhere else. Paul G 14:25, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I also notice that Wiktionary has pages for the elements up to atomic number 120, with a link to 121, which does not exist yet. In theory, the names are extensible for ever, but have all of these names been officially assigned?

There is another multilingual list at http://www.minerva.unito.it/Chimica&Industria/Dizionario/Supplementi01/ListaMultilinguaElementi.htm

It is ordered by Italian alphabetical order but seems to have all the named elements. It gives equivalents in English, Catalan, Spanish, French, German, Portuguese, Swedish, Finnish, Dutch and Latin. Unfortunately accented characters seem to have been corrupted.

This is the site I took the Italian translations from (via the links from the periodic table at http://www.minerva.unito.it/Chimica&Industria/SistemaPeriodico/TabellaSemplice.htm ) This list seems to be a dictionary appendix so might not be public-domain.