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Kylä[edit]
@Thadh: Hi! Listen for yourself. However, I slowed down the audio recording a bit. What is my mistake here, I am very interested? Gnosandes ❀ (talk) 14:09, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Gnosandes: That's still initial-stressed, just no vowel reduction and weakly stressed overall, which makes it sound as if there is no stress (or even final stress). A simple rule to follow is that in native words (save for a few old compounds, but these are very rare), no Finnic language has words that don't have word-initial stress. Thadh (talk) 18:10, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Thadh: But I didn't write anything about vowel reduction. What you describe reminds me of things in Hungarian, but not in Finnish and Karelian. I can give you related words of Finnish and Karelian, where there will be an initial stress in Finnish and an final stress in Karelian. This “simple rule” does not seem to work. That's how the stress on the first syllable sounds:
- Ukrainian
ку́ля (file) - Belarusian
ку́ля (file) - Polish
kula (file) - Gnosandes ❀ (talk) 19:18, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Gnosandes: Stress works differently in different languages, and there are no words with final stress in Karelian. I can't do anything about it, the audio you sent has initial stress, as will any audio by a native Karelian. Here's another audio so there's no doubt: [1]. Thadh (talk) 19:56, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Thadh: In the audio recording you sent it sounds, really, but how to explain the first audio recording? In your audio recording on the first syllable in the word jogi (as in Finnish joki), but in the audio recording that I have, the stress in the word jogi is on the second syllable. Can it be "unfixed stress with the lack of a meaning-distinguishing function"? Gnosandes ❀ (talk) 20:21, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Gnosandes: I'm afraid you're mishearing it, the audio recordings you sent are stressed on the first syllable. Thadh (talk) 20:25, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Thadh: But the program shows the opposite of what you say. Gnosandes ❀ (talk) 21:05, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- No, it doesn't. — SURJECTION / T / C / L / 07:11, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Thadh: But the program shows the opposite of what you say. Gnosandes ❀ (talk) 21:05, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Gnosandes: I'm afraid you're mishearing it, the audio recordings you sent are stressed on the first syllable. Thadh (talk) 20:25, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Thadh: In the audio recording you sent it sounds, really, but how to explain the first audio recording? In your audio recording on the first syllable in the word jogi (as in Finnish joki), but in the audio recording that I have, the stress in the word jogi is on the second syllable. Can it be "unfixed stress with the lack of a meaning-distinguishing function"? Gnosandes ❀ (talk) 20:21, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Gnosandes: Stress works differently in different languages, and there are no words with final stress in Karelian. I can't do anything about it, the audio you sent has initial stress, as will any audio by a native Karelian. Here's another audio so there's no doubt: [1]. Thadh (talk) 19:56, 21 November 2022 (UTC)