Talk:tailleur

Etymology: Old French

@Nicodene: Are you sure French tailleur is not from Old French, given that TLF mentions early attestations and we list it as a descendant? J3133 (talk) 02:21, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

@J3133 Only sense 3 is found in Old French, per the TLFi, and not 1 nor 2. In any case it isn't an independent word: it is simply the regular agent-noun of tailler and as dependent on the latter as is the participle taillé, which nobody would separately etymologise as "from Old French taillieṭ, from Latin taleātum". Nicodene (talk) 02:39, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

@Nicodene: Then should it be removed as a descendant? But this seems inconsistent with the etymology of tailor (or Modern English agent nouns indicated as being from Middle English?). J3133 (talk) 02:49, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

@J3133 Sorry, I misread; 1 and 3 occur, 2 does not. The borrowings are different, in that they are fact independent words. My approach would be to put them under Old French taillier with the note "via its agent-noun taillour". Really I can live with the other way too, so long as it isn't made out to be some kind of independent lineage from Proto-Romance in common with, of all things, Spanish tajador 'pencil-sharpener'. Nicodene (talk) 03:13, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Putting the Modern French word under taillier, indicating it as being via the agent noun, but not the agent noun itself, seems an odd approach. J3133 (talk) 03:24, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

@J3133 An odd approach indeed, and not mine. "Borrowings", I said. I wouldn't put modern French tailleur there any more than I would give mangeur as a descendant of mangeör, or mangez of mangiez. They're trivial. Nicodene (talk) 03:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)