Template talk:RQ:Herbert Travaile

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@Sgconlaw “Sgconlaw moved page Template:RQ:Herbert Travels to Template:RQ:Herbert Travaile: More accurately matches the work's title” (Special:Diff/64065289): The work’s title uses “travels”, not “travaile”. J3133 (talk) 14:33, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

@J3133: I thought this was one of those stub templates as there was no documentation, then I realized it wasn't. The problem is that the 1st edition (1634) is called A Relation of Some Years Travaile, [...] into Afrique and the Greater Asia, so I am now wondering how to incorporate that into the template. — SGconlaw (talk) 14:37, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

@Sgconlaw: I added the first edition. J3133 (talk) 15:38, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

@J3133: I made further edits. I'm not sure the 1677 work is the 3rd edition; it's called the "fourth impression" on the title page. — SGconlaw (talk) 16:48, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

@Sgconlaw: Why did you change “Th[omas]” to “T[homas]”? Begvnne etc. should use u instead of v as we lowercase the titles and v is not the first letter. J3133 (talk) 16:55, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

@Sgconlaw: Also you removed the brackets from “2nd edition”; the edition is not mentioned. J3133 (talk) 16:56, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

@Sgconlaw: You also removed the alternative titles. J3133 (talk) 16:59, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

@Sgconlaw: |pageref= was supposed to be used for unnumbered pages; perhaps you could list all of the changes. J3133 (talk) 17:04, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

@J3133:

• Where are these "alternative titles" from? The bibliographic standard is to use the title that appears on the title page.
• In the 1st edition the author is indicated on the title page as "T. H.", so I rendered this as "T[homas] H[erbert]". As the author was not indicated on the title pages of the 2nd and 4th editions, I used the way in which the author was indicated at the end of the epistle dedicatory.
• Perhaps I'm unfamiliar with the use of u and v in titles – do explain? I've just been reproducing them as they appear.
• Just to note that the OCLC confirms that the 1638 version is the 2nd edition.
• It's inadvisable to use |pageref= for unnumbered pages. In other quotation templates it is used to specify the numbered page to be linked to if more than one page is specified, that is, |pages=110–111|pageref=111.

— SGconlaw (talk) 17:24, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

@Sgconlaw:

• Alternative titles: 1st edition; 2nd edition; 4th edition; e.g., see Wikipedia; WorldCat (“Other Titles:”); a book for uses. J3133 (talk) 17:55, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
• Alternative title: “Th: Herbert”; “To the Right Honorable Philip”: “Th. Herbert”; also “To His VVorthy Cosen, Thomas Herbert, Esquire”.
• I will quote Firejuggler86 who made this change in another template (Special:Diff/61672520): “it was *never* written 'Ivlivs'; by this time, V was only used for U in capitals. So, IVLIVS, but Iulius(!). Furthermore, in the middle ages, when lowercase v and u represented the same letter, v was used strictly at word beginning; mid-word was always u”. Wikipedia (V § History): “The pointed form "v" was written at the beginning of a word, while a rounded form "u" was used in the middle or end, regardless of sound.” E.g., the King James Version uses “SCRIPTVRES” in uppercase and “scriptures” in lowercase.
• |pageref= was used for unnumbered pages only if |pages= is not used.

J3133 (talk) 17:55, 29 September 2021 (UTC)