User talk:Per utramque cavernam

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  1. 2012-2016 (Fsojic)
  2. 2017 (Barytonesis)
  3. 2017-2018

FWOTD stuff[edit]

I like the new organisation scheme. There are some mistakes, but it streamlines things a bit more. I don't know how interested you are in helping out with it, but I would definitely welcome more involvement from other people. Also @Lingo Bingo Dingo, are you interested in setting up a focus week (or anything else?) —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 22:59, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

@Metaknowledge: Hi. I'm interested but I'm trying to limit the time I spend on Wiktionary, so I prefer not to get too involved right now. Per utramque cavernam 21:04, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Ah, the age-old struggle... —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 22:46, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
@Metaknowledge: I've sorted out the nominations of the remaining years according to that "ready/not ready" scheme. I think it's a start, but it probably could be improved further. How do you pick words you're going to feature? Do you (try to) do a rotation by continent? Language family? Dead languages vs. living languages? Part of speech? Per utramque cavernam 13:49, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
I rotate according to the following scheme: national European language, minority or extinct European-area language, non-European language. It reflects our relative strengths at Wiktionary for the most part, although the second one is always the hardest, and I'd like to do more of the third one if possible. I also don't repeat any language in a month, don't feature more than one constructed language per month, and don't put similar languages (e.g. German and Middle High German) too close to one another. That's pretty much it. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 17:12, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
@Metaknowledge: I've sorted the nominations according to that three-fold scheme; I can see now that there are very few nominations for the second type indeed. I didn't know what to do with constructed languages, so I put them in a fourth category. Per utramque cavernam 19:02, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
I generally stretch the second type, just because there's never enough to fill it unless you bend the guidelines somewhat. And if our coverage gets better, it would be appropriate to decrease the European percentage that's featured; right now, the non-European slot is almost all Asian languages, which is also a problem. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 19:32, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Oh, and while you're at it, please just remove the nominees that have already been set for a day. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 19:51, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@Metaknowledge: All right; I was wondering if maybe we should have a nominations archive similar to Wiktionary:Word of the day/Nominations/Archive 2018, but I guess it's not that important. I've thus removed as many as I could find, but it's pretty taxing to navigate between the archive pages and the nomination / focus week pages though.
On a related note, do you think we could merge the latter two (standard nominations and focus week nominations, I mean), or would it become too long? Per utramque cavernam 21:26, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
We kept them separate to prevent it from being too unwieldy to edit. The focus week noms also often sit around for a long time, because it can be hard to put a good focus week together. Also, I sometimes leave old focus week noms that have been set to remind me of which languages to look at to create it again (like Australian languages). On that note, it would be really helpful to identify if we have any focus weeks ready to run. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 23:20, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
All right, I'll leave it there then. I'm trying to sort it out a bit too.
Would you consider Wiktionary:Foreign_Word_of_the_Day/Focus_weeks#The_Middle_Ages ready, or is too Europe-centric? Per utramque cavernam 11:18, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
@Metaknowledge The problem I run into with focus weeks is that I don't know enough about the phonology of a sufficient number of languages. So I can't prepare a full week with a different language on each day. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk) 14:42, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
@Lingo Bingo Dingo: That's why a big part of the job is pinging people to do the things you can't. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 19:51, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Linguistic phenomenon of the week/month[edit]

Take a look at "Words Frequently Sought" in the alt.usage.english FAQ. Equinox 15:40, 11 July 2018 (UTC)


My understanding of the noncognate-template is that it is used to show that two items are actually unrelated etymologically despite their shape and meaning suggesting the opposite, like in кӑмпа. In ilbiz, the items are indeed related, but not cognate. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 20:45, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

@Allahverdi Verdizade: Good point. There's also {{m+}}, but it doesn't create a link to the Wikipedia article. Per utramque cavernam 11:46, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

something to write home about[edit]

If nothing to write home about is a negative polarity item, than so is something to write home about, anything to write home about, and others like nothing worth writing home about. Not every negative polarity item is worthy of inclusion either. I've always been a believer in trying to find the core of an idiom and use redirects from typical collocations of the core to get people to the core so they could be made to see multiple usage examples and perhaps usage notes and link to relevant WP articles. DCDuring (talk) 16:13, 17 July 2018 (UTC)