Wiktionary:Votes/2011-04/Derivations categories

Derivations categories

• Voting on:

  Creating all the categories listed below (that are subdivided into the three groups "Categories of source languages.", "Categories of target languages." and "More umbrella categories.") if they would have nonzero members.

  • In this vote, the categories listed in italic are supposed to contain only other categories; and the categories listed in bold are supposed to contain only entries.

  Expanding the new tree to cover all the applicable languages and families.

  • For example, "Category:Japanese terms derived from English" is mentioned but "Category:French terms derived from Spanish" is not; however, both categories are supposed to be created.
  • The proposed result is creating, for each target language, a category tree organizing terms by their languages or origin. If a term came from Spanish to English, it is then categorized into "Category:Spanish terms derived from English".

  Deleting all old conflicting categories (which use the system of language codes instead of language names).

  • For example, "Category:es:French derivations" will not be necessary after "Category:French terms derived from Spanish" is created. As a result, "Category:es:French derivations" can be deleted.

  Here is the category tree. When applicable, for comparison between the old and the proposed systems, the names of old equivalent categories are listed between parentheses.

  1. "Categories of source languages."
     • English etymologies
       • Terms derived from English (< English derivations)
         • Japanese terms derived from English (< ja:English derivations)
     • Japanese etymologies
       • Terms derived from Japanese (< Japanese derivations, just the categories)
         • English terms derived from Japanese (< Japanese derivations, just the entries)
  2. "Categories of target languages."
     • English etymologies
       • English terms derived from other languages (< Etymology, just the non-language categories)
         • English terms derived from Indo-European languages (< Indo-European derivations)
           • English terms derived from Germanic languages (< Germanic derivations)
             • English terms derived from West Germanic languages (< West Germanic derivations)
         • English terms derived from Japonic languages (< Japonic derivations)
           • English terms derived from Japanese (< Japanese derivations, just the entries)
     • Japanese etymologies
       • Japanese terms derived from other languages (< ja:Etymology)
         • Japanese terms derived from Indo-European languages (< ja:Indo-European derivations)
           • Japanese terms derived from Germanic languages (< ja:Germanic derivations)
             • Japanese terms derived from West Germanic languages (< ja:West Germanic derivations)
               • Japanese terms derived from English (< ja:English derivations)
         • Japanese terms derived from Japonic languages (< ja:Japonic derivations)
  3. "More umbrella categories."
     • Derivations by target language
       • English terms derived from other languages
       • Japanese terms derived from other languages
     • Derivations by source language
       • Terms derived from Indo-European languages
         • English terms derived from Indo-European languages
         • Japanese terms derived from Indo-European languages
         • Terms derived from Germanic languages
           • English terms derived from Germanic languages
           • Japanese terms derived from Germanic languages
           • Terms derived from West Germanic languages
             • English terms derived from West Germanic languages
             • Japanese terms derived from West Germanic languages
       • Terms derived from Japonic languages
         • English terms derived from Japonic languages
         • Japanese terms derived from Japonic languages

Notes:

• This proposal nominally changes the categories from "topical categories" to "lexical categories" (according to the common practice that dictates that the latter should mention language names, not language codes). In addition, the new names are more intuitive, since they use plain English and don't require knowing language codes. (Many other categories do mention the codes, which is a separate subject.)
• The current derivation categories have their contents filled by {{topic cat}}, which is programmed to work only for "topical categories", thus should this vote pass, that template will not be used anymore for the affected categories. One natural way to work around this issue and still have consistent categories would be creating a new template for them.
• The proposal deliberately includes terms derived from families to languages but not vice-versa. (For example, "English terms derived from Germanic languages" but not "Germanic terms derived from English".) It reflects better the existing categories and etymological relationships.

• Vote starts: 00:01, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
• Vote ends: 23.59, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

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• Vote created: Yair rand 05:34, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
• Discussion:

  Wiktionary talk:Votes/2011-04/Derivations categories

  Wiktionary talk:Votes/2011-04/Lexical categories

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