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The page Wiktionary:Votes consolidates policy votes and procedural votes that take place on Wiktionary. It formalizes and documents the consensus building and voting policy. For an archive of previous votes, see Wiktionary:Votes/Timeline and Wiktionary:Votes/. This header is at Wiktionary:Votes/header.

Main sections of this page: #Current and new votes, #Recently ended votes and #Proposed votes. See also /Timeline.

Current and new votes

Migrating from Template:term to Template:m

Support

  1. Symbol support vote.svg Support --Vahag (talk) 18:23, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
  2. Symbol support vote.svg SupportCodeCat 19:28, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
  3. Symbol support vote.svg Support Mulder1982 (talk) 19:45, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
  4. Symbol support vote.svg Support, but I would like the final result to be {{term}} redirecting to {{m}} (or vice versa). --WikiTiki89 19:46, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
    To do that, we would first need to orphan {{term}}, as the parameters are not compatible. And at that point there is no need for a redirect anyway, is there? —CodeCat 20:03, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
    Yeah there is: so that people can start using {{term}} instead of {{m}} if they feel like it suits them better. --WikiTiki89 20:05, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
    We should aim at there being one template in the mainspace. We should aim at at least a semblance of professionalism. Keeping term with old parameter order to make old revision legible is fine. --Dan Polansky (talk) 20:13, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
    Actually, that's also a good idea. --WikiTiki89 20:31, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
  5. Symbol support vote.svg Support — It's better to have one term (whichever) than two - since the newbie suspects there's a subtle difference between them. Since most will look for an example (like me) either would do, but m is shorter — Saltmarshαπάντηση 19:30, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
  6. Symbol support vote.svg Weak support — I can agree that "term" is more descriptive than "m", which can be confusing. On the other hand, not needing a named language parameter makes things a lot easier. ObsequiousNewt (ἔβαζα|ἐτλέλεσα) 00:14, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose No user will ever guess what {{m}} means, while the meaning of {{term}} is rather obvious. We need to think about non-regulars and casual contributors too. -- Liliana 18:05, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
    At least the name of {{m}} is intriguing while term is misleading - one may take it for only a decorating template (like I did until recently xD).--Dixtosa (talk) 19:07, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
    Just to note, {{m}} is now a shortcut for the more descriptive name {{mention}}, while {{l}} is likewise a shortcut to {{link}}. —CodeCat 21:10, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
  2. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose. It's a cryptic and unhelpful name. But I think the parameter order of {{m}} is better. Perhaps it would be nice to migrate all existing uses of {{term}} to that parameter order. This, that and the other (talk) 07:37, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
  3. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose deleting Template:term. No opinion regarding any other action. —Mr. Granger (talkcontribs) 19:32, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
  4. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose. The name term is more comprehensible. The old revision histories will be clearer (not that that's a strong argument in my opinion, but it's worth something). And even if all were equal (m and term were equally good), there'd be no reason to specifically change from one to the other. I have no opposition, however, to reordering the parameters of either template to match those of the other, provided that that's done without introducing errors.​—msh210 (talk) 16:35, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
    Changing {{term}}'s parameters to match {{m}} would break the old revision histories anyway. --WikiTiki89 20:45, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  5. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose. As above - term means what is says; m will always mean masculine to me. SemperBlotto (talk) 08:51, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
  6. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Per others, especially Liliana's argument. User: PalkiaX50 talk to meh 09:19, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
  7. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose --Dijan (talk) 19:33, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
  8. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose strong. Another unnecessary merge. Purplebackpack89 14:14, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
  9. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose – I read the ‘rationale’ but can't see any explanation…does this new template do something different? If not, why can't we just change how {{term}} works? And why ‘m’?! Basically, no. Ƿidsiþ 08:15, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Abstain

  1. Symbol abstain vote.svg Abstain I can't decide between the pros and the cons. --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:18, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Decision


Templates context and label

  • Polling on: Clarifying which template to use to tag definition lines as "countable", "transitive", "colloquial", "geography" and the like. Currently available templates are {{context}}, {{cx}}, {{label}}, {{lb}}. The choice is about template name, not about syntax of its parameters. Two choices are presented: one between (context, cx) and (label, lb), and another one between long form (context, label) and short form (cx, lb).

    The syntaxes might look like this, assuming the language as the first parameter of the template:

    • {{context|es|colloquial}}
    • {{cx|es|colloquial}}
    • {{label|es|colloquial}}
    • {{lb|es|colloquial}}

I prefer label over context

  1. Symbol support vote.svg Support Because {{label}} takes the language as the first parameter, whereas {{context}} requires lang=. —CodeCat 19:25, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
    The vote text makes it clear this is about the template name, not about the parameter order and syntax. We can make {{context}} behave exactly like {{label}}, yielding syntax like {{context|es|colloquial}}. --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:28, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
  2. Symbol support vote.svg Support More accurate when dealing with grammatical categories like "transitive" or "passive", or "with accusative", and still fits the idea of a context semantically.

I prefer context over label

  1. Symbol support vote.svg Support We want to make it clear that you aren't supposed to write definitions like "(tree) oak", and context does a better job at that. -- Liliana 10:57, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
    That could be addressed by template documentation. And how often has this been a problem in practice? Keφr 15:28, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
  2. Symbol support vote.svg Support I prefer to make clear that register and other context information is the primary purpose of information so position on a definition line. DCDuring TALK 16:51, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
  3. Symbol support vote.svg Support, and in addition, I'd like to note that I prefer slang and certain other things being decoupled from context. Purplebackpack89 14:16, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
    Nonsensical. Of all things, "slang" is definitely a context label. Keφr 15:28, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

I prefer short template name over long template name

  1. Symbol support vote.svg Support Dan Polansky (talk) 09:50, 30 August 2014 (UTC) I dislike the introduction of {{context}}, but if we need to have a template before "colloquial" and the like, let it be short. --Dan Polansky (talk) 09:50, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
  2. Symbol oppose vote.svg OpposeCodeCat 19:27, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
  3. Symbol support vote.svg Support I don't care whether the short name is botically changed afterward to a longer, more communicative name: I just like to save keystrokes. DCDuring TALK 16:47, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
  4. Symbol support vote.svg Support Ivan Štambuk (talk) 21:49, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
  5. Symbol abstain vote.svg Abstain Too amorphous, depends on what the short and long template names are Purplebackpack89 14:17, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
  6. Symbol support vote.svg Support, but also in agreement with This below. ObsequiousNewt (ἔβαζα|ἐτλέλεσα) 00:20, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

I prefer long template name over short template name

  1. Symbol support vote.svg Support again, for clarity purposes. -- Liliana 10:57, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
  2. Symbol oppose vote.svg OpposeCodeCat 19:27, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Oppose the poll

  1. Why can't we have them all, as redirects to the one central template? Or is this vote to choose a "canonical" name for the template? This, that and the other (talk) 07:39, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
    This is a poll about which template editors prefer. This poll does not propose any deletion of a template. A participant in the poll may clarify in their comment that they oppose deletion of any template. Right now, at least one editor is performing a particular conversion in the mainspace, and we do not know whether that conversion matches editor preferences. --Dan Polansky (talk) 15:55, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
  2. Moo. Keφr 14:05, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Abstain


Migrating from Template:context to Template:cx

  • Voting on: Replacing all uses of {{context}} with {{cx}}. First making sure {{cx}} is unused, then changing {{cx}} to use "cx|en|colloquial" syntax instead of "cx|colloquial|lang=en" syntax, then furnishing {{cx}} with the fastest code currently available in Wiktionary templates and modules for the purpose, and then performing the replacement. No proposal is being made about whether {{context}} should be retained afterwards, e.g. to simplify reading of revision history.
  • Rationale: For a rationale, see Wiktionary talk:Votes/2014-08/Migrating from Template:context to Template:cx#Rationale. The voters only vote on the proposed action, not on the rationale.
  • Vote starts: 00:01, 5 October 2014 (UTC) (delayed by one month)
  • Vote ends: 23:59, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Support

  1. Symbol support vote.svg Support Dan Polansky (talk) 08:40, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose due to the fact that it needlessly complicates things. Why are we moving templates away from things that can be remembered again? "context" is a lot clearer to newer editors to use than "cx", and always will be. --Neskaya sprecan? 17:50, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Abstain

  1. Moo. Keφr 09:21, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
    What an interesting self-disclosure. As per moo, are you (a) a cow, (b) a bull or (c) a foolish woman? --Dan Polansky (talk) 09:23, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
    I think he means mu#Etymology 2. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 13:11, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Decision


Renaming rhyme pages

Support proposal 1

  1. Symbol support vote.svg Support Even if it wasn't a fait accompli I would still have supported it. This, that and the other (talk) 10:24, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Oppose proposal 1

  1. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Having colon (:) after the language name is a natural extension of our category names like "Category:en:Physics". --Dan Polansky (talk) 19:58, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
    But we only do that with language codes, while the Rhymes pages currently use language names. --WikiTiki89 20:19, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Abstain from proposal 1

  1. Symbol abstain vote.svg Abstain It really makes no difference to me. --WikiTiki89 14:50, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Support proposal 2

Oppose proposal 2

  1. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Makes it clear that we're talking about suffixes. This, that and the other (talk) 10:24, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
  2. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose What he^ said. --WikiTiki89 14:50, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
  3. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose The rhyme pages are organized by what is an auditory analogue of a suffix. Since suffixes are usually denoted with a leading dash (e.g. -ness), using dash in rhyme page names seems natural. --Dan Polansky (talk) 19:58, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
  4. Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose What they↑ said.​—msh210 (talk) 12:09, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Abstain from proposal 2

Decision


User:Liliana-60 for checkuser

Liliana-60 (talkcontribs)

  • Nomination: I hereby nominate User:Liliana-60 as a local English Wiktionary CheckUser. I believe the user has the necessary experience as a sysop to be an effective CheckUser. I also believe more CheckUsers are needed, as the current three are inactive for extended periods. Purplebackpack89 23:38, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Vote started: 00:00 7 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Vote ends: 23:59 6 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Acceptance: Yeah, sure. Given that our current checkusers are all inactive, we desperately need one to deal with the open requests on WT:CU. -- Liliana 23:41, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Support

  1. Symbol support vote.svg Support as nom Purplebackpack89 23:38, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
  2. Symbol support vote.svg Support. We need more CheckUsers, and Liliana seems like a fairly logical choice, and a sound, responsible sysop who has dealt well with things in the past. (And I certainly don't want the job (and am not active enough for it anyway).) --Neskaya sprecan? 00:58, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
  3. Symbol support vote.svg Support —Stephen (Talk) 02:12, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
  4. Symbol support vote.svg Support --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 05:50, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Oppose. Edits like Special:Diff/24561442 make me doubt this user would use the tool responsibly. Keφr 06:17, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
  2. Oppose, one who handles potentially private information should not be engaging in long-standing feuds with other major editors. Wyang (talk) 06:42, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
  3. Oppose. Bullying, hostility, irrelevant political references. I am worried if a person with such attitudes to other editors becomes a CheckUser. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 23:49, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
  4. Liliana has done a lot of good work for this project, but I have to oppose making her a checkuser, for the reasons Wyang gave. - -sche (discuss) 21:40, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Abstain

Decision


User:ObsequiousNewt for admin

  • Nomination: I hereby nominate ObsequiousNewt (talkcontribs) as a local English Wiktionary Administrator. He does a lot of work on Ancient Greek, and would be facilitated in that by being able to edit certain protected pages (e.g. Module:languages/data3/g) and being able to delete others (see, for example, WT:RFDO#More superfluous grc templates). In my experience, he is reasonable in discussions and produces high-quality, reliable contributions. He has edited here since October 2012, and has been very active since the beginning of this year; accordingly, I think he has the sufficient experience and has displayed the appropriate competence and dedication that warrant this nomination for administratorship. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 22:19, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Vote starts: as soon as the nomination is accepted
  • Vote ends: 24:00, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Acceptance: Accepted in general per nom. I haven't been (and would prefer not to start) patrolling RC or making vandalism efforts—my work is solely in content editing, and I have not yet had a reason to get involved with other users except for policy questions—but when it comes to that, I am willing to carry out what is agreed upon, and I hope I can serve Wiktionary well. I'd also like to ping @JohnC5 and @Atelaes as they are essentially the only other editors I have spoken with. ObsequiousNewt (ἔβαζα|ἐτλέλεσα)
    • Languages: en, grc-3, la-2, de-2, es-1, ine-pro-1
    • Timezone: UTC-6 with DST
    ObsequiousNewt (ἔβαζα|ἐτλέλεσα) 00:06, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Support

  1. Symbol support vote.svg Support --Fsojic (talk) 22:37, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
    @Fsojic: Technically speaking, your vote is invalid because you cast it before the nomination was accepted. I hope that no one will object on such pedantic grounds, but it may be best for you to recast your vote, just to make sure. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 00:29, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
    Ok, for the second time: Symbol support vote.svg Support --Fsojic (talk) 06:29, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
  2. Symbol support vote.svg SupportJohnC5 (Talk | contribs) 00:25, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
  3. Symbol support vote.svg Support as nominator. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 00:29, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
  4. Symbol support vote.svg SupportUngoliant (falai) 01:39, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
  5. Symbol support vote.svg Support—Especially since Atelaes appears to have gone on an extended wikibreak (though I'd support even if he hadn't). —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 13:53, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
  6. Symbol support vote.svg Support Equinox 22:59, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
  7. Symbol support vote.svg Support —Stephen (Talk) 05:24, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Oppose

Abstain

Decision


Recently ended votes

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