Category talk:Cardinal numbers
Moved from Category talk:English cardinal numbers[edit]
Hmm ... I can definitely see including
- 1 .. 19, particularly since the shifts like quince/diez y seis are very idiosyncratic.
- 20, 30, ... 90
- 21, to show how the tens combine with ones
- All powers of ten with their own names (100, 1000, 1000000 ... along with googol, googlplex and whatever else)
- 1100, with a note on the general usage for xx00.
- Maybe 1001
I'm not so sure about the others. I'm sure that there is quite a bit more variety in the world's langauges that this list wouldn't capture, but that's should mainly be covered in the entries for those languages (e.g., if a language has a special form for 753, then the term for 753 in that language should get its own entry. I say "mainly" because the teens seem worth covering for their own sake.
Beyond that, we may want to have a general note on construction of numerals in English, and links to the appropriate Wikipedia entries. Roman numerals senses should be noted under 'I', 'V', 'X' and so forth. The term roman numeral should be defined, but the general rules there definitely belong in Wikipedia, not Wiktionary.
Finally, mathematics distinguishes between numbers and numerals. Do we? -dmh 04:17, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Cleanup debate[edit]
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Which category naming scheme should be used, Category:German cardinal numbers or Category:de:Cardinal numbers? The subcategories need to be cleaned up. If, as I suspect, the Category:de:Cardinal numbers-style names are prefered, there is a lot of recategorising that we'll need to do. — Beobach972 20:02, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
- Numbers should have the respective language name, as in "German cardinal numbers", since they are actually German cardinal numbers (eins, zwei, drei, vier, fünf, etc., are German cardinal numbers). Since German cardinal number is a logical term, the "de:" format is not needed. —Stephen 13:08, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
- The community uses prefixes like de: for topical categories and language names like German for part of speech categories. Stephen dissents in this matter. For cardinal numbers, I use Category:de:Cardinal numbers and the like because it's a topical rather than a grammatical category. That is, there are words that may be defined as cardinal numbers for mathematics but which do not function grammatically as numerals. The cardinal number aleph-null is my standard example for this. It represents the number of items in a particular kind of infinite set. However, since most cardinal numbers function in a particualr grammatical way, I would include Category:de:Cardinal numbers within a grammatical category like Category:German numerals (or Category:German numbers, since the vote reached no consensus). This way they may be found by looking through a grammatical over-category.
- You are correct that we have been very inconsistent in categorizing Numbers/Numerals, with different editors and languages using different terminology and approaches. As I noted above, I ran to vote to standardize them. The result was two small strongly-opinionated (and opposed) points of view with a large group of apathetic abstentions. --EncycloPetey 20:45, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
- That’s probably because you probably held the vote on a "new" voting page which does not appear in people’s Watchlists. The dearth of votes isn’t due to apathy, but because the vote is effectively secret. —Stephen 13:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
- Huh? I didn't say there was a dearth of votes, I said that there was a large group of abstentions. They voted to abstain, so they obviously found the page and voted. The vote was announced in the Beer Parlour as well, though not everyone announces new votes that way. However, all votes are linked through a single coordinating page, so if you are having trouble keeping track of new votes then I suggest you put Wiktionary:Votes on your Watchlist. --EncycloPetey 15:27, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
- That’s probably because you probably held the vote on a "new" voting page which does not appear in people’s Watchlists. The dearth of votes isn’t due to apathy, but because the vote is effectively secret. —Stephen 13:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
- Ah, alright. I've started to recategorise them. — Beobach972 02:41, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
- Wait a minute... we divide by POS... 'cardinal number' is a POS and is accepted as a header. What's the distinction here? — Beobach972 02:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- Closing, as this is currently the subject of a vote. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:14, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
- Wait a minute... we divide by POS... 'cardinal number' is a POS and is accepted as a header. What's the distinction here? — Beobach972 02:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)