Talk:Bird and Baby

RFD discussion: January–February 2024

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Bird and Baby

A nickname for a pub. Big "nope" methinks P. Sovjunk (talk) 19:02, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Keep. It is a historically significant nickname for a historically significant entity, and people reading academic texts may very well encounter the term and wonder what it means. If we have space for Drumpf and Obummer then we certainly have space for this. The fact that Wonderfool doesn't know his literary history isn't my fault. Equinox ◑ 02:12, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@Theknightwho a dude who has some love for Oxford. (Hey! when are we going punting? Not in February I guess.) Equinox ◑ 02:13, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@Equinox Lol I’ve never heard this used, but as soon as you mentioned Oxford I knew it must be the Eagle and Child. Theknightwho (talk) 09:16, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Keep. Nickname for location. Should have more, honestly. (Also, maybe there's something with how the Inklings were all positive and Christian, and how "bird" and "baby" are less aggressive than "eagle" and "child".) (Also also, Eq may have forgot "Fowl and Foetus", as well as bunch of other nicknames that epically own these pub-goers.) CitationsFreak (talk) 04:24, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Yeah! (After this passes I'm going to slip through "Bob's" for the Back of Beyond in Reading. I will have to interview 3 local students to get cites.) Equinox ◑ 04:46, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Abstain for now, but I'll opine that our standards for what names vs nicknames are includable are weird and we do seem to allow nicknames more readily than actual names (we couldn't have Robert Pattinson, but R-Pattz was kept...). I guess if a building is important / lexically-relevant enough to have nicknames, that might indeed suggest it and the names are lexically relevant... - -sche (discuss) 06:56, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

One such building is Ally Pally. I had a view of it for a year when I lived in Crouch End. DonnanZ (talk) 09:30, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Keep as a nickname. Plus it’s probably one of the most famous pubs in the UK. Theknightwho (talk) 09:19, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

• OK then. Kept Demonicallt (talk) 09:17, 16 February 2024 (UTC)