Talk:as far as

In the scope of

Can somebody please add an example for the third? I do not see any difference from the second as far as the translation section shows --Backinstadiums (talk) 16:14, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

far as

Isn't far as a possible variant? --Backinstadiums (talk) 12:22, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

subject

is the subject necessary with this phrase? That is, "as far as can be expected" vs. "as far as it goes" --Backinstadiums (talk) 10:28, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

so far as regards Jim’s case

how should so far as regards be parsed in this example? --Backinstadiums (talk) 16:09, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

February 2020 deletion discussion

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as far as

Adverb PoS. I have added conjunction and preposition PoS sections, moved L4 header content, and added a usage note. I believe that the Adverb PoS section was in error. AHD and MW online have conjunction and preposition PoS definitions. Oxford calls it a phrase. I have not yet found any reference that calls it an adverb. DCDuring (talk) 18:00, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

With regard to the preposition (and also presently adverb) sense "With respect to; as relates to", with examples such as "As far as financing, there will be no problems", I have always considered this usage an error in which the speaker forgets to say "... is concerned", or does not understand that "... is concerned" is required. Or perhaps some people confuse "as far as" with "as for". I feel that some sort of label might be in order. Mihia (talk) 18:58, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

The omission of "is concerned" does not need to be an error; it may be intentional to achieve brevity. M-W:as far as[1] has this in its "as far as preposition" section and does not contain any proscription tag, although it does say that it is "chiefly in oral use".

As for the adverb section nominated here, it seems it can be deleted now that DCDuring has created the other sections, but I did not check carefully. --Dan Polansky (talk) 15:12, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

According to [2]:

Usage Note: As far as is often used as a preposition meaning "as for" or "regarding," especially in speech. This construction derives from the term's use as a conjunction (as in as far as the election goes), but with the verb of the clause omitted (as far as the election). A large majority of the Usage Panel frowns on this usage. In our 2011 survey, 71 percent found the prepositional use unacceptable in the sentence As far as something to do on the weekend, we didn't even have miniature golf. And 74 percent objected to as far as when followed by a noun clause in the sentence As far as how the victim got shot, we don't know yet. Objection to this construction has decreased slightly among the Panelists since 1994, when 80 percent objected to the first sentence and 89 percent to the second.

To me "as far as" used in this way without a completion is purely nonsensical, but it seems that the longer it persists in use, the more people forget this. Mihia (talk) 23:42, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

The source you have found (AHD) could be used to source the "sometimes proscribed" tag. But let me add from AHD:as far as[3]: "Our Living Language Despite the admonitions detailed in the Usage Note, it is the case that many speakers often drop the verbal part of the as far as construction, as in As far as a better house, I don't want one (instead of As far as a better house is concerned ...)". --Dan Polansky (talk) 11:03, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

• Keep - Dentonius (my politics | talk) 13:16, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
• I think it does mean something, but I'm not satisfied with the current definition. Maybe it is better defined as short for (something). Vox Sciurorum (talk) 12:59, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

• Lexico (reference added) treats this as a phrase, pure and simple; no complication. Is that far too easy and simple for us? DonnanZ (talk) 21:33, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
• Delete. Clearly not an adverb - adverbs don't take nouns as complements. The preposition def is a keeper. I don't hate the idea of renaming the PoS header to "phrase", as suggested by DonnanZ, but I would prefer to keep it as is for consistency with similar terms like regarding, as to, and concerning. Conjunction section should go too - maybe a conjunctive sense exists, I would need quotes to believe it. Colin M (talk) 02:32, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Adverb deleted, content having already been incorporated into other sections. DAVilla 00:24, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Used other than figuratively or idiomatically: the farthest

Should I add the farthest in its definition? --Backinstadiums (talk) 11:24, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

All the farther/further in place of as far as occurs chiefly in informal speech: This is all the farther the train goes. See https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Talk:all_the_more --Backinstadiums (talk) 11:23, 12 August 2021 (UTC)