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- Note: the below discussion was moved from the Wiktionary:Tea room.
This says it's an adverb. Is that really the best way to look at this expression in its parenthetical usage? Also, its usage note refers to a "non-idiomatic" usage that seems to much a relic to really be so and seems to need a definition. DCDuring TALK 01:02, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
- It is an adverb in current speech, yes, just as however, for what it's worth, incidentally, etc., but it is typically restricted to the beginning of a sentence. The second (non-idiomatic) sense on the page looks like sum of parts to me. I agree that the second sense does not belong there, altough I might be worth having in a Usage notes section because there seems to have been a historical shift in use, just as we found in researching for what it's worth. --EncycloPetey 23:59, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
- Looking at the American Corpus, it certainly is not "restricted to the beginning of a sentence". Quite the constrary, it seems to have pretty much the same distribution as "however", except it is a bit more informal. Circeus 22:51, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
- Looking at the 2 usage examples for incidentally, the first is indisputably an adverb. In the second usage, it seems to be merely a conversational directive, which, I thought, would make it an interjection in that usage. DCDuring TALK 00:20, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
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Sense "Mind that you; be careful that you." Not a phrase or unit of meaning but a fragment. Originally raised at https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Tea_room/2016/December#mind_you — This unsigned comment was added by Mihia (talk • contribs) at 05:49, 9 December 2016.
- Delete. Note that the creator put a hidden "HTML comment" in the entry: "not sure whether this is a collocation or just a plain old SoP, but per TR, it's better here than in usage notes for a missing sense". Equinox ◑ 00:27, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
Replace with {{&lit|mind|you}} or even just {{&lit|mind}}. A similar usex is provided in the verb section of mind.— Pingkudimmi 07:40, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- Could you explain your reasoning a bit more? mind is a unit in itself, but mind you is a bit like stop the or was near: it's not a self-contained grammatical unit and the same reasoning may not apply. For example, at "go in", we would not include an &lit sense like "it's your go in this Scrabble game". Equinox ◑ 07:46, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- Agreed. Delete. I was succumbing to a foolish line of thinking.— Pingkudimmi 13:05, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
- Could you explain your reasoning a bit more? mind is a unit in itself, but mind you is a bit like stop the or was near: it's not a self-contained grammatical unit and the same reasoning may not apply. For example, at "go in", we would not include an &lit sense like "it's your go in this Scrabble game". Equinox ◑ 07:46, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- Yes delete that sense. Ƿidsiþ 08:04, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- Delete this SOP sense per nom. bd2412 T 20:42, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
Deleted. Mihia (talk) 20:21, 23 December 2016 (UTC)