Reconstruction talk:Proto-Turkic/bẹ

Proto-Turkic *ben

How come the Proto-Turkic version of the word "I" is ben, when most Turkic languages say men, min, mən or something else? 213.172.93.82 06:39, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Oldest Turkic records point ben (also men). Also, when b and n sounds come together, the b sound can become m. For example, бұл "this" in Kazakh but мұнда "here" in Kazakh. эпӗ in Chuvash, but мана "to me" in Chuvash. Here is also a gradual decline of b in Oghuz languages. Old Anatolian Turkish gelürwen "I come", Ottoman Turkish gelürün, gelürüm "I come", Modern Turkish gelirim "I come" (Anatolian dialects gelirin); m can not directly turn into w. Linguists reconstruct the proto-state as *ben. BurakD53 (talk) 13:39, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Should this simply be moved to *bẹ

Chuvash and the parallels as well as the existence of pronominal-n clearly shows that the original proto-form was *bẹ, rn it's tuned specifically for Common Turkic instead of Proto-Turkic. Yorınçga573 (talk) 20:57, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Support BurakD53 (talk) 22:16, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

I agree. The Proto-Turkic speakers obviously used *bẹ and the from *ben evolved later, as seen in Common Turkic descendants. The possible Tungusic and Mongolic forms also prove that. But I think there should be written note under Etymology section. Ardahan Karabağ (talk) 23:22, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

What if we moved it but just wrote the explanation for *ben in the etymology section instead? Yorınçga573 (talk) 23:23, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

I already meant that. Ardahan Karabağ (talk) 23:30, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Ah alright. Yorınçga573 (talk) 23:41, 9 August 2023 (UTC)