Talk:մանդակ

@Vahagn Petrosyan: For its etymology, Asatrian first derives Kurdish form from Armenian, but later (when he faces with Kermanic equivalents) changed his mind and calls it a "cultural word" ({{R:xme:Asatrian:2011|page=270}}).--Calak (talk) 14:56, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

@Calak, can you add the Kurdish spellings and meanings to the entry? Judging by the articles of Asatrian and his colleagues published between 1997 and 2009, they are aware that this is a cultural word of unknown origin, but in each article they say the Kurdish is definitely borrowed from Armenian, whatever the relationship between other words. The basis of this claim is that the word is found only in Ossetian among Iranian languages. I guess, if the word is present also in Kermanic, there is no good reason for their claim anymore. --Vahag (talk) 16:35, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

It is clear Asatrian's claim is before 2011, i.e before finding Kermanic cognates. In 2011 article, he deosn't derive Kurdish term from Armenian.

But about this word. This a common word in my accent and we say mandōk. We eat it with cheese, whey cheese (լոռ) and şîrêj. For its scientific name, please wait till I check "Kurdistan Botanical Dictionary".--Calak (talk) 21:23, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

I added several Kurdish forms based on dictionaries. Feel free to improve. --Vahag (talk) 21:30, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Well I checked that Botanical Dictionary. These are its variants: mend, mendê, mendî, mendik, mendig, mendok, menê, menî, bena, benê, bendik. Scientific name: Chaerophyllum macrospermum (Sperng.) Fisch. & C.A.Mey.--Calak (talk) 09:36, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Picture.--Calak (talk) 09:38, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I find even more forms and meanings in Kasimoğlu, Ahmet; Dirihî, Ehmedê (2013) Ferhenga Navên Nebatan A Kurdî. The array of cognates is bewildering. I don't want to spend more time on summarizing these findings in the entry. --Vahag (talk) 10:09, 15 August 2018 (UTC)