Talk:ಗುಟುಕು

@Bhagadatta Hi, in the corresponding Burrow entry (guṛakn 1658) it says to refer to 'pp. 296-7, no. 43' in the article 'Onomatopoetics in the Indian Linguistic Area' by M. B. Emeneau 'for areal etymology'. In that article, the cognates listed in Burrow and CDIAL *ghuṭṭ 4481 (घूंट, ਘੁੱਟ, ઘોટ, घोट, etc) are considered to be the result of 'areal interaction'. So what is the best way to indicate this 'areal interaction' in the etymology section? Kutchkutch (talk) 10:56, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@Kutchkutch: One could write "influenced from Indo-Aryan/Prakrit *ghuṭṭ, ultimately of onomatopoetic origin".

Perception of sounds differ by language so while a clock goes tick-tock in English, it goes dī-dā in Mandarin.

Similarly, either the Dravidian speakers or the Indo-Aryan speakers perceived the sound of a liquid being swallowed as *g(h)(V)ṭ-.

On a related note, the Kannada dialectal term ಗಟ ಗಟ (gaṭa gaṭa) serves as an adverb which applies specifically to the verb ಕುಡಿ (kuḍi, “drink”). It conveys a meaning somewhat close to "rapidly, quickly", as that is the sound that is perceived to have been made when one gulps down a liquid in a series of sips. So ಗಟ ಗಟ ಕುಡಿ (gaṭa gaṭa kuḍi) means "drink up quickly" (kind of like Marathi पटकन (paṭkan) but पटकन (paṭkan) applies to all verbs no?) Anyway, the presence of ಗಟ ಗಟ (gaṭa gaṭa) in Kannada according to me points out that the onomatopoetic expression might have in fact been originally Dravidian.

I apologize for rambling on and on, it's really been a long time since I thought about linguistics 😅 -- Bhagadatta (talk) 16:42, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@Bhagadatta: Thanks. As I looked Burrow, CDIAL and Emeneau's article the reason why you put '(ultimately) onomatopoeic' became clear. However, after the onomatopoeic coinage, Emeneau and Burrow use the word 'areal' to describe why the form g(ʱ)Vṭ- is prevalent in both Indo-Aryan and Dravidian.

It is very troublesome to explain areal features as an etymology. 'Areal feature' appears to be way to refer to a similarity between genetically unrelated languages in close proximity, and describing such an etymology in precise terms is complicated and often unexplainable. Since 'areal interaction' is not a straightforward series of steps such as borrowing or inheritance, I was just curious how you would describe it in this case.

Since the coverage of most Indo-Aryan and Dravidian languages on Wiktionary and perhaps even in 'the literature' is not very developed relative to European languages or Chinese perhaps it would be better to focus on adding more lemmas and not to worry as much about issues such as this.

Your 'rambling' is quite interesting and when I see your work, I have many questions, but in most cases I decide not to ask. And yes, पटकन (paṭkan) can be applied to all verbs, but there are onomatopoetic adverbs that apply to specific verbs. Interestingly, ಗಟ ಗಟ (gaṭa gaṭa) in Marathi is घटाघटा (ghaṭāghaṭā).  Kutchkutch (talk) 09:07, 20 April 2019 (UTC)